@PurpleToad Cite a source, buddy

@Tiberius the only reason why the debt rose so much under the obama administration is because he came into office during a recession

during the latter part of his term the deficit was kept quite low

republican administrations in general run bigger deficits than democratic ones

same holds true for trump now

now i don't think that's bad per se

the united states has to run deficits

just a sec

as for the economic recovery that's hard to ascertain how much of it was a result of policy, i think the 2008 recession was the strongest since the great depression but again i suppose it's hard to determine how much of that is a result of policy

To an extent we do, to imply that Trump's deficit even comes close to Obamas is patently ridiculous.

well it's bigger

Our current deficit is not 1.2 trillion annually, and that didn't change much throughout the Obama administration,

when you look at the latter part of the obama admin

`Finally, we consider whether impeachment “nullifies” the last election or denies voters their voice in the next one`
Ah, this seems to prove that the Ukraine shit is just an extension of the Russia shit in the regards that it's desperate thrashing from Democrats who want to seriously believe that Trump could have only won with outside help.

It’s fair to point out that Obama came in on a recession in 2007 escalated by the housing market bubble. That resulted from Wall Street selling subsidized loans en mass before an inevitable crash in 2009.

It had this year because we've increased military spending

and i mean if we're comparing dems to republicans at least it would be worth pointing out that clinton probably bears a lot of responsibility for the 2007 recession

No, the recession is not a valid excuse, his policies created the slowest recovery since world war II

We've had a few recessions between then and now

It’s a stretch to accuse Clinton, he actually *paid off* the national deficit during his tenure.

Bush didnt even have much financial policy he spent 8 years trying to deal with the afternath of 9/11

i mean the deficit is going to rise during a recession

yeah the clinton surplus contributed to the recession

The only reason Obamas deficit fell was because Republicans took over the house and senate and stonewalled every thing he did

The deficit shrink was not Obamas doing

it is not actually good for a country like the united states to run a surplus

`Impeachable Treason`
`>In other words, a person commits treason if he uses armed force in an attempt to over throw the government, or if he knowingly gives aid and comfort to nations (or organizations) with which the United States is in a state of declared or open war.`
Seems like an odd charge to be levying against the President. Whom exactly is he aiding?

if you have a trade deficit and a gov surplus at the same time that necessarily means the private sector is a net borrower

The dems are just desperate to get him out because they cant fathom that they lost terribly

They’re going to claim his temporary halt on Humanitarian aid to Ukraine *somehow* bolsters Russia. Just wait for it.

Good luck defending that argument.

*turns out the popular vote isnt all you need to win elections*

`Betrayal of the National Interest Through Foreign Entanglements`
Ah yes, just like Hillary's ties to the Saudis.
https://news.yahoo.com/nader-bragged-to-middle-east-government-about-access-to-clintons-secured-with-illegal-campaign-cash-says-justice-department-193814757.html

i don't think private sector deleveraging has occurred to a similar extent to what it did in 2007 (after WW2)

so that would explain why the recession was so deep

All presidents have ties to the Saudis. It’s a bipartisan problem that’s existed for the past 3 decades.

Clinton comes as no surprise.

https://youtu.be/eBh0oJFtV_c lmao here ya go

Only like 5 pages of the actual doc seem to consist of stuff OTHER than random historical context

this is ambassador sondland, who became ambassador after donating a million dollars to the trump candidacy

he was handpicked by trump