15-20%

Allot of people conflate the entire executive branch and the military, could that be the confusion in the numbers?

oh and interest on the debt is a big chunk

It's like 10% interest payments

I'll double check

so 10% of our tax money is just gone immediately

Military is underfunded tbh.

As long as we do the shit we do.

I think the military should just consolidate

Underfunded because too thinly spread

We got bases all over the world while our hardware at home is falling apart

consolidate in what way?

I see

Close some bases overseas, stop interventions, etc

He fired McArthur
He was just trying to save his skin for letting the commies get North Korea because of him
So he blamed the military for starting the war.
So it couldn't be his fault.
He wasn't controlling anything.
That was his argument.
That boogeyman got even more ground in the Vietnam War with hippies.
"Vietnam was started for petty capitalistic gains" they said
They gathered support and we lost Vietnam War just one year before we could have clearly won
That is a fact btw
We would have won.
The Tet Offensive was the last straw to the hippies. (mind you the offensive failed in most regards but it was well coordinated)
The true objective of the Tet Offensive was to make it look like the US couldn't ever win because of 6 different attacks going on at one time.
The cold war denuclearization movement (by communists and hippies" also used the military industrial complex argument to make the US lose the cold war.
Tried at least
Now the term means "that all military action is bad because of those damn arms companies and big oil."
So no I don't have a problem with it.

whatever can be done that doesn't immediately plunge the world into ww3

That was what i was trying to post

Ah but stopping interventionism means you'll let Russia take over places, which makes you a traitor<:smugon:512048583806025739>

I was talking about Eisenhower fuck and his ""military industrial complex"

Fuck russia

Its irrelevant

oh no, what if Russia starts spending their own money policing areas we used to have to deal with

Boogeyman Russia

China is the real enemy

the horror

What does Russia have to do with us? Unless it's a treatied Ally I don't see any reason to care what Russia is doing

same

Not my country

Who is arguing against that in here?@randomNPCno3

@Troye - I'll concede that the military bolsters an immense budget that demands more auditing to ensure funding is allocated responsibly to necessary programs. There's alot of Fraud, Waste, and Abuse that absolutely should be held to account. However, it's a separate argument. It's better to highlight the budgetary cuts and shortfalls to programs that require funding rather than pointing a finger at the military industrial complex.

The hypothetical person that would claim we're traitors

Honestly I don't get why we're friends with the Saudis but Russia is bad

Fucking auditing by people who dont know what the military needs. ffs

I would rather buy oil from the Russians if we have to buy it at all

@dizzy So germany then?

Yeah no

Don't know what you're getting at

Saudi's crude output is considerably higher than Russia's - we've also been trade partners with em since before the Cold War.

China is definitely a bigger problem than Russia. They're spreading all over the world

@Louis - Internal auditing - more from entities that understand the budget such as the IG

How the fuck would that work?