when he said that. i was done. frankly.

@Death in June no nationalization of industries? Are you kidding?

What the hell do you think the Medicare For All plan is?

i mean other than that

his policies are mostly just

redistributionist

regulatory

Yeah, other than the complete abolishment of the private healthcare, pharmaceutical, and health insurance industries

The DMV is a modern marvel of efficiency

i would say that's mild compared to countries like norway yeah

Let's just turn every hospital in the country into the same thing, no big deal

It's not like people's lives are at stake or anything

@UnScottable yeah and of course the progressive stuff is bad, but that goes for any democrat really

tru

https://youtu.be/tckVx_kaYco

also i don't think sanders advocated for the complete abolishment of private healthcare

@Death in June try watching this

what is this video intended to show

all i'm saying is that sanders is a pretty mild socdem if you consider countries like norway have 35%~ of their workforce employed in the state sector and the state sector accounts for a larger portion of gdp than the private sector

That's a huge problem

why

The video is about Finland, but it's a pretty close analog to Norway

Europe has always been pretty socialist. We put up with it because of the cold war but they really do not even know how to be conservative. They are by nature serfs.

>tfw you say you don’t live in ‘That bad a city’ and then you hear a Drive-By while walking your dog

Kinda like how I was telling Ma on hands-free not to worry about me driving home on the freeway, the weather's fine, then suddenly its fucking monsoon season

Europe is so socialist that when you explain the true meaning of socialism to a European, they think you're just making things up. That is until you pick up a dictionary and show them - because then they *suddenly* don't care about the topic anymore.

that's my experience when talking to most people about any topic that is counter to a mainstream opinion. "Where are you sources" me:"here they are" "those sources are like 100+ pages each, i'm not reading that lol; also I'm still right"

I mean, you could press the point home if you cited the specific page(s) relevent to the discussion

hard to do that when your statement is "x is bad" and there's a million points

most of the time people won't have their mind changed by data, no matter how good the data is.

plus in my defence usually these discussions happen with NEETs who have nothing but free time

so they have 0 excuse not to read it

Well then that just looks like you're trying to scare cunts off with massive amounts of reading material

oh no! scary reading material that will educate! the horror!

if you have a point, make the point, literally no one, good faith or bad, is going to impromptu read a short novel's worth of shit for an internet argument

then they're not actually looking to be educated on the subject

probably educated on their own time...? again, impromptu reading assignments are unnattractive

unless they just have literally nothing better to do with their day, in which case why the fuck are you debating children?

how many people do you know that actually take time to educate themselves? most people will read some trashy "journalistic" article and act as if they're well read on the subject

there's loads of jobless guys nowadays

i think california was something like only 43% of men were working