Message from @snake
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This is one thing the Auth Left and EUHRC doesn't get.
so the difference is rights are made up
let me just say, as a german, german goverment is shit right now
but fuck reparations
nothing to see here
ignore the muslims guys, nothing wrong with brown people
```Rights are god given or inalliable privileges are not,```
this obviously only works if you actually believe in God or, worse, 'natural rights' 🙄
I know there are not rights. It is a joke that references Cato the Elder.
life, liberty and property existed before rulers and that is the basis for natural rights
you might give them away though for a false sense of security
what does that even mean
rights are a thing humans invented to be able to live in a society
the only way they are "natural" is that we made them up, but we are part of nature, ergo natural
i would certainly say private property did not really exist in hunter-gatherer societies
without rulers you only have property insofar as you are able to defend it yourself
or if you manage to group together or employ someone to defend it, but that's how you get a state
Just because something is natural doesn’t mean it’s good or bad. What it means is that there is going to be a tendency to go in that direction. And like gravity, if you don’t have something in place to prevent it it will reset back to that.
Though impeding too much on human nature is both cruel and dysfunctional. So you should try to work with the grain a little bit
Not in all cases though
Anyway, claiming that “life, liberty and property” existed before rules is interesting. I’d say it’s probably half and half on that one. Amerindian tribes can be described as Anarcho communist, but other groups have had property without gov
Life of course existed
Liberty? Not really dude...
Your tribe restricted you a lot
Sure TeChIcallY you could fuck off and smoke weed all day but you’d probably die
So between the tribe/clan/family and death you didn’t have a lot of wiggle room. I mean it was just focused on surviving
But just because these things existed doesn’t mean you have a right to these things
Or entitled, sounds fucked up but let’s be honest, you can’t strong arm Mother Nature to let you live longer
human's natural state is that of being born into authority
to one's parents, and from one's parents to the tribe
that authority provides the mechanism by which one may survive and even thrive, it imposes obligations on the individual so as to strengthen the collective organizations that bolster their will
what is liberty? power
what is property? the expression of power over objects
when two men's interests conflict, and neither are willing to let the other have their way, power decides whose interests reign supreme
and through this the will of the individual is expressed through the power embodied by the collective and the authority that entails
the discipline imposed on a soldier by his squad is not an impediment to his liberty
on the contrary, it ensures that all members contribute to its strength, and ensures that it is able to defeat its enemies and realize the will of the individuals within it
Sinn Fein is actually first