Message from @Death in June

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2020-02-02 12:31:52 UTC  

@ZBLBAC5 Those aren't rights, those are privileges.

2020-02-02 12:40:36 UTC  

what's the difference

2020-02-02 12:45:14 UTC  

Rights are god given or inalliable privileges are not, those you have to earn.

2020-02-02 12:48:55 UTC  

This is one thing the Auth Left and EUHRC doesn't get.

2020-02-02 12:49:17 UTC  

so the difference is rights are made up

2020-02-02 14:29:16 UTC  

let me just say, as a german, german goverment is shit right now

2020-02-02 14:29:34 UTC  

but fuck reparations

2020-02-02 19:54:55 UTC  

nothing to see here

2020-02-02 20:46:36 UTC  

ignore the muslims guys, nothing wrong with brown people

2020-02-02 20:53:07 UTC  

```Rights are god given or inalliable privileges are not,```

2020-02-02 20:54:01 UTC  

this obviously only works if you actually believe in God or, worse, 'natural rights' 🙄

2020-02-02 21:21:09 UTC  

I know there are not rights. It is a joke that references Cato the Elder.

2020-02-02 22:47:07 UTC  

life, liberty and property existed before rulers and that is the basis for natural rights

2020-02-02 22:49:06 UTC  

you might give them away though for a false sense of security

2020-02-03 08:19:16 UTC  

what does that even mean

2020-02-03 08:23:40 UTC  

rights are a thing humans invented to be able to live in a society

2020-02-03 08:24:14 UTC  

the only way they are "natural" is that we made them up, but we are part of nature, ergo natural

2020-02-03 08:29:32 UTC  

i would certainly say private property did not really exist in hunter-gatherer societies

2020-02-03 08:29:49 UTC  

without rulers you only have property insofar as you are able to defend it yourself

2020-02-03 08:30:52 UTC  

or if you manage to group together or employ someone to defend it, but that's how you get a state

2020-02-03 13:45:28 UTC  

Just because something is natural doesn’t mean it’s good or bad. What it means is that there is going to be a tendency to go in that direction. And like gravity, if you don’t have something in place to prevent it it will reset back to that.

2020-02-03 13:46:00 UTC  

Though impeding too much on human nature is both cruel and dysfunctional. So you should try to work with the grain a little bit

2020-02-03 13:46:14 UTC  

Not in all cases though

2020-02-03 13:47:49 UTC  

Anyway, claiming that “life, liberty and property” existed before rules is interesting. I’d say it’s probably half and half on that one. Amerindian tribes can be described as Anarcho communist, but other groups have had property without gov

2020-02-03 13:47:59 UTC  

Life of course existed

2020-02-03 13:48:12 UTC  

Liberty? Not really dude...

2020-02-03 13:48:23 UTC  

Your tribe restricted you a lot

2020-02-03 13:49:44 UTC  

Sure TeChIcallY you could fuck off and smoke weed all day but you’d probably die

2020-02-03 13:50:24 UTC  

So between the tribe/clan/family and death you didn’t have a lot of wiggle room. I mean it was just focused on surviving

2020-02-03 13:52:09 UTC  

But just because these things existed doesn’t mean you have a right to these things

2020-02-03 13:52:43 UTC  

Or entitled, sounds fucked up but let’s be honest, you can’t strong arm Mother Nature to let you live longer

2020-02-03 13:56:46 UTC  

human's natural state is that of being born into authority

2020-02-03 13:56:53 UTC  

to one's parents, and from one's parents to the tribe

2020-02-03 13:58:13 UTC  

that authority provides the mechanism by which one may survive and even thrive, it imposes obligations on the individual so as to strengthen the collective organizations that bolster their will

2020-02-03 13:58:26 UTC  

what is liberty? power

2020-02-03 13:58:34 UTC  

what is property? the expression of power over objects

2020-02-03 13:59:21 UTC  

when two men's interests conflict, and neither are willing to let the other have their way, power decides whose interests reign supreme

2020-02-03 13:59:38 UTC  

and through this the will of the individual is expressed through the power embodied by the collective and the authority that entails

2020-02-03 14:00:11 UTC  

the discipline imposed on a soldier by his squad is not an impediment to his liberty