Message from @Jes
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We just said that we should look at their policy from the source, not from the voter base
The conservatives have not conserved anything
Your suggestion of the tories "over time getting more conservative" which is more realistically termed "growing a fucking spine" doesn't happen without people who are 'edgy' real conservatives
You say that as if conserving everything is good.
tory party wasnt even officially formed until 1830
No the Conservative Party wasn't formed until 1830
I didnt attach a moral value to conservativism, just that conservativism, should conserve
the Tory party has existed much longer
@Mokou I mean it's been people like Jacob and Boris and Priti that have given the Conservatives a spine more so than say Sargon or anyone on this server really.
or rather, existed much earlier and was morphed into the Conservative party
only independents who were referred to as conservative
conservative party is Centre left
Eh
Not really
has been since mid 200s
2000s
Unless you explain how it is that's a bit nonsensical.
their policies
If you don't think party politics were a massive force as early as the end of the 17th century you're wrong
Which policies?
do i need to go on?
no you need to explain.
they have taken a left wing position on these issues
What position have they taken in your view
and how is it left
MOAR min wage - okay lefty
1929 poster
How do you define left vs right?
conservation of the institute of marriage? nah, thats not worth saving - okay lefty
Jes on point
bigger government
more spending
taking away free speech
When Fascists and Hereditarian's meet
removing individual rights over the collective
Not being as left as Labour does not make them actual conservatives, this is the only way I can see them being viewed as not pretty damn left
when Blair won his second term the Tories took a huge shift to the left
as they feared never winning again