Message from @Jes

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2020-01-22 22:22:33 UTC  

2000s

2020-01-22 22:22:37 UTC  

Unless you explain how it is that's a bit nonsensical.

2020-01-22 22:22:45 UTC  

their policies

2020-01-22 22:22:48 UTC  

If you don't think party politics were a massive force as early as the end of the 17th century you're wrong

2020-01-22 22:22:51 UTC  

Which policies?

2020-01-22 22:23:13 UTC  

abortion, mnarriage, size of government, minimum wage, taxation

2020-01-22 22:23:17 UTC  

do i need to go on?

2020-01-22 22:23:24 UTC  

no you need to explain.

2020-01-22 22:23:39 UTC  

they have taken a left wing position on these issues

2020-01-22 22:23:47 UTC  

What position have they taken in your view

2020-01-22 22:23:50 UTC  

and how is it left

2020-01-22 22:23:54 UTC  

MOAR min wage - okay lefty

2020-01-22 22:24:18 UTC  

1929 poster

2020-01-22 22:24:18 UTC  

How do you define left vs right?

2020-01-22 22:24:20 UTC  

conservation of the institute of marriage? nah, thats not worth saving - okay lefty

2020-01-22 22:24:31 UTC  

Jes on point

2020-01-22 22:24:47 UTC  

bigger government

2020-01-22 22:24:52 UTC  

more spending

2020-01-22 22:25:02 UTC  

taking away free speech

2020-01-22 22:25:09 UTC  

When Fascists and Hereditarian's meet

2020-01-22 22:25:16 UTC  

removing individual rights over the collective

2020-01-22 22:25:18 UTC  

Not being as left as Labour does not make them actual conservatives, this is the only way I can see them being viewed as not pretty damn left

2020-01-22 22:26:38 UTC  

when Blair won his second term the Tories took a huge shift to the left

2020-01-22 22:26:47 UTC  

as they feared never winning again

2020-01-22 22:27:00 UTC  

*took a huge shit to the left

2020-01-22 22:27:01 UTC  

even the media of the time commented on it

2020-01-22 22:27:24 UTC  

on wikipedia-conservatives under "boris johnson" .....
...
"Since the election, a number of far-right activists claim to have joined the Conservatives, prompting concerns over entryism."

2020-01-22 22:27:25 UTC  

wot

2020-01-22 22:27:26 UTC  

1971 Manifesto for them even mentioned voluntary repatriation 😔

2020-01-22 22:27:55 UTC  

Idk who they might refer to Wacka, did Tommy join?

2020-01-22 22:28:03 UTC  

I don't recall him doing that

2020-01-22 22:28:20 UTC  

apparently britain first memebers

2020-01-22 22:28:20 UTC  

@Jes
If you define the existance of a minimum wage as being left then that's left wing.
I'm not sure what you mean about the institute of marriage. It still exists. They even have a tax break purely for married people.
Bigger government was never a non-Conservative thing until Margaret Thatcher, the idea that conservatives or the Conservatives have been anti-authoritarian isn't a thing historically or now.
I notice though you didn't point out how they've been non-Conservative on taxation.

2020-01-22 22:28:34 UTC  

member Owen jones is a verified contributer on wikipedia - has been for years so pinch of salt

2020-01-22 22:28:55 UTC  

no tax break my dude, tony blair scrapped that

2020-01-22 22:29:10 UTC  

The "existance of minimum wage" isn't really the issue, the issue is that whenever labour brings up raising it the conservative response isn't to argue the other side it's to say "ok but not that much"

2020-01-22 22:29:20 UTC  

which they do on

2020-01-22 22:29:21 UTC  

many issues

2020-01-22 22:29:32 UTC  

There literally exists a married tax break. @Jes https://www.gov.uk/marriage-allowance