Message from @Eccles
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"Socialism and marxism are now centre-left" - Kunarian 2020
Lol
They aren't a full Socialist or Marxist party
No, they're not
how is this not about politics?
On Britain’s political compass Labour is the centre left and Conservatives are the centre right.
There are still many Centre Left people in Labour
Nevertheless, the centre of gravity within the labour party is not centre-left, it's moderately left
Just look at Kate Hoey from the last parliament
Kate Hoey sort is a minority
Just because you’re to the right of the Conservatives doesn’t mean they’re in the left Eccles
I'm not to the right of the conservative, i'm centre-left
Lol
This is how I know things have moved - my opinions haven't changed over time
I feel like you don’t know the definition of that phrase
Tell me. How are you centre left
I believe in equality of opportunity individual freedoms, a strong but carefuly prescribed and transparent state, and expansive social programs
I believe the free market should be protected, but regulated to keep it free for the purposes of serving the electorate (anti-corporatist)
I consistently come up as centre-left on any test you care to mention
Lol
Lib Dems were centre-left until 2010ish
“Any test” ah yes the official legally recognised ideology tests
Pick you own authority then, Kunarian
Since you're claiming "you're not centre left, and labour is, because I say so"
They're perfectly allowed to hold whatever their opinions they like, but they're not centre-left
If you think all that is centre left then you’re wrong. Tbh you just sound like a wushu washy centrist with no strong principles from that description. Which is why you might think Labour were centre left but now the Conservatives are when you define yourself as centre left.
OK, Blair's Labour was far-right
Says you
Lol
i feel like expansive social programs is very left
Depends
depends on how invasive and specific they are
Is authoritarianism being taken into account and also the implementation matters
Blaire moved the labour party right-wards to the centre ground to make them electable
THis is universally acknowledged as being representative of reality
this sort of bickering is kinda gay imo
it just depends where you put center
Momentum + Corbyn dragged Labour way to left, making them unelectable int he process
So unless you're claiming Blair's Labour is politically equivalent to Corbyn's Labour party, you're talking shit