Under UBI yes

vulnerable people will die and suffer under UBI

they're dying now

Yep

and in higher numbers

You can't say that

UBI hasn't been implemented

well i could cite test cases, but that wouldn't be fair

UBI wouldn't be cut off

Welfare can be

And is excessively

I don't argue for a welfare system where it can be

Then you probably ought to just end at "The current welfare system is flawed and harms the people it's supposed to protect"

Dunno why I'd need to say that when I can also point out UBI would do the same

you have no proof it would do the same

like you said, it hasn't been tried

so all we can say with certainty is that the current system is flawed

I mean if you're proposing a system that would cut money from people then yeah I feel like I can say it would be worse

except it doesnt

But it would

it imposes extra taxes on the middle and top

Except those wouldn't work because taxes aren't just a lever with infinite money

yes, it's a system of diminishing returns

UBI of £130 a week for all adults would cost £350bn a year

£80bn can be recouped by scrapping the tax-free allowance

lol

raising taxes on the poorest

nice

Current welfare budget excluding housing benefit and social care, 200bn

so you're only 70bn short

see this is the problem with your system

the poorest don't pay income tax

you're having to cut money to the poorest

to make it work

for people on minimum wage, ubi will give them far more money than they'd lose

tax-free allowance going would mean the poorest paying tax on all their earnings below 12500

yes

lol

nobody would lose more than 2500 from the tax allowance loss

And my system would give them more without fucking with taxes or cutting money to the disabled

your system doesn't do anything to fix the problem