We shouldn't discriminate based on immutable traits unless that immutable trait has a significant effect on the person

I don't believe race does

this seems different from what you've said earlier

Inb4 race is just skin colour

It pretty much is

Lol

Okay

Race doesn't have any serious effect on anyone's life

You're arguing with a believer

I simply don't believe that we should discriminate based on a characteristic that has next to no effect on someone and that they had no control over

If a private citizen wanted to discriminate based on those grounds then it would be wrong but it should be allowed

But the State doing that would be a major problem and shouldn't be allowed

The State has an obligation to help the citizens of the nation and discriminating against certain citizens would break this obligation

There should definitely be discrimination on immigration based on ethnicity.
Whether it is not somebody's fault they were born a certain way or not does not matter. What matters is the nations safety and wellbeing. The more difference there is between people and other ethnicities, the less integrated and united people are. Everybody has imbued within them a certain familiarity with people and the less familiar they are with someone, the less they have in common

Simple as

Simple as

I simply disagree

Is that market worship or do you actually care about national cohesion?

I care about the state not discriminating against it's citizens

@Dᴏᴏғᴜs Dᴏʀᴋᴍᴀɴᴇ I kinda hope you're mixing up ethnicity with nationality. We already restrict migration based on origin because as you say, security concerns.

What about discriminating against non citizens

Non citizens are non citizens

That would still be wrong if it was based on race, If the native citizens really wanted to do that then it should be done but i would still disagree with it

Ethnicity is a group of things. Stuff like race is involved, but so is genetics and ancestry.
Basically what ethnicity comes down to is: The more similar someone is to you, the better. Nationality would fit in there as well, but it there is a higher chance that someone from Portugal will integrate better in England than someone from Somalia

That shouldn't lead us to discriminate though

There should definitely be a different treatment between citizens and non-citizens

It should when it comes to immigration

It's clear that if someone comes from a similar country they can integrate better i agree with that

But i still don't think that is a reason to stop certain people from immigrating and attempting to integrate them based on that

"It's clear that if someone comes from a similar country they can integrate better i agree with that" bRuH

Okay racist

That's pretty much a given

If the cultural change is limited then they can integrate better

What if there are a whole lot of problems in society and a lot of it is centered around a huge base of an immigrant group. Should still nothing be done? When is it ever enough?

You are saying some French person can integrate better than a Sudanese person?

To an extent

Okay racist

Laws and culture are more similar

How

Sudan was a colony of Britain

@Dᴏᴏғᴜs Dᴏʀᴋᴍᴀɴᴇ We can investigate that group if that becomes a problem