Message from @Puggums

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2020-02-12 13:19:00 UTC  

that implies that the founding stock is inherently worth saving or better than others

2020-02-12 13:19:07 UTC  

It is

2020-02-12 13:19:08 UTC  

Where does it say civic nationalism encourages mass immigration?

2020-02-12 13:19:11 UTC  

it may be, puggums

2020-02-12 13:19:15 UTC  

which is axiomatically not true

2020-02-12 13:19:19 UTC  

You're still putting your own nation first

2020-02-12 13:19:29 UTC  

it doesn't, hopix

2020-02-12 13:19:31 UTC  

If something undermines your nation, you stop it

2020-02-12 13:19:36 UTC  

Civic Nationalism is for mass assimilation of aliens

2020-02-12 13:19:43 UTC  

Well if that's the case its shit then

2020-02-12 13:19:44 UTC  

says who?

2020-02-12 13:19:47 UTC  

Lmao

2020-02-12 13:20:09 UTC  

Lmao what

2020-02-12 13:20:12 UTC  

civic nationalism would imply, given you already -had- mass immigration, that they are assimilated

2020-02-12 13:20:17 UTC  

it doesn't imply you should -have- mass immigration

2020-02-12 13:20:22 UTC  

Mate

2020-02-12 13:20:26 UTC  

I see

2020-02-12 13:20:36 UTC  

civic nationalism doesn't imply assimilation

2020-02-12 13:20:37 UTC  

"that implies that the founding stock is inherently worth saving or better than others"

No one is saying that any group is better then another, we're just saying that a community with a united heritage has the right to exist in the form of a nation

2020-02-12 13:20:46 UTC  

Well I dont support mass deportation so I guess I'm civic nationalist

2020-02-12 13:20:54 UTC  

a nationstate isnt defined by the genetic make up of its people only "its people"

2020-02-12 13:20:57 UTC  

theres no inbuilt right

2020-02-12 13:21:30 UTC  

however, there is signficant benefit to be found in having your nation state broadly homegenous, ethnically, and making any change very slow

2020-02-12 13:21:31 UTC  

genetic makeup is one part of what makes a nation

2020-02-12 13:21:33 UTC  

in the same sens you could say a nation has the right to change its people

2020-02-12 13:21:53 UTC  

Yes so race and culture are linked

2020-02-12 13:22:13 UTC  

yes

2020-02-12 13:22:35 UTC  

No the nation cannot change it's people

2020-02-12 13:22:44 UTC  

but it is

2020-02-12 13:22:48 UTC  

if a nation "changed" it's people it wouldn't be the same nation anymore lmao

2020-02-12 13:22:54 UTC  

Imagine calling yourself "the caledonian" and trying to pontificate about superior races

2020-02-12 13:22:59 UTC  

thats a theseus ship argument

2020-02-12 13:23:09 UTC  

...and as a result it's destroying the nation

2020-02-12 13:23:12 UTC  

imagine replacing ethnic French people with ethnic Turks and then calling France French

2020-02-12 13:23:23 UTC  

Because the core ethnos are the root

2020-02-12 13:23:34 UTC  

if they eat frogs legs and make baguettes then fine

2020-02-12 13:23:38 UTC  

As long as it says so in teh corporate charter yer gud

2020-02-12 13:23:54 UTC  

nations are evolutionary - france isn't what france was 500 years ago

2020-02-12 13:24:05 UTC  

the problem is when you change it via revolutionary measures

2020-02-12 13:24:17 UTC  

dumping millions of ethnic turks in france is revolutionary, not evolutioanry

2020-02-12 13:24:23 UTC  

^