Message from @ʀeaper

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2019-07-19 04:06:08 UTC  

the cycle doesnt end because our immediate needs are met

2019-07-19 04:06:20 UTC  

What do you mean?

2019-07-19 04:06:59 UTC  

there arent any limitations

2019-07-19 04:07:24 UTC  

if rate of change of supply is greater than rate of change of demand assuming both values are sustainable at the start then there is no way it can stagnate assuming constant influx

2019-07-19 04:07:29 UTC  

Vienna blacks ok

2019-07-19 04:07:35 UTC  

Not really my type

2019-07-19 04:08:23 UTC  

it stagnates because of a lack of competition

2019-07-19 04:08:37 UTC  

why so?

2019-07-19 04:08:59 UTC  

People would have needs and demands and aspirations and they would establish their workplaces to follow suit and produce at quality

2019-07-19 04:09:08 UTC  

The quality of goods wouldn't be limited to what is profitable

2019-07-19 04:09:24 UTC  

exactly

2019-07-19 04:09:36 UTC  

but that doesnt mean its the end

2019-07-19 04:10:02 UTC  

Of course not, it'd just be a net increase in quality, difference is needs would consistently be met?

2019-07-19 04:10:03 UTC  

there will always be more to gather more to explore more improvements to be made

2019-07-19 04:10:10 UTC  

Right

2019-07-19 04:11:01 UTC  

so you can establish that standard but not much beyond that

2019-07-19 04:11:58 UTC  

That's not necessarily true if the aim is to perfect it and if there is a demand for better iterations of product?

2019-07-19 04:12:01 UTC  

any development would be very slow no incentive to innovate no competition to drive innovation

2019-07-19 04:12:46 UTC  

Does development solely stem from competition?

2019-07-19 04:13:02 UTC  

a system based in personal production continues this while still maintaining that standard

2019-07-19 04:13:12 UTC  

so why sell yourself short?

2019-07-19 04:14:01 UTC  

This comes from the assumption that development solely stems from competition and that market competition is the only form of competition substantial to development

2019-07-19 04:14:12 UTC  

i never said that

2019-07-19 04:14:39 UTC  

i said your system would be inferior not impossible

2019-07-19 04:14:47 UTC  

No no I get that

2019-07-19 04:15:17 UTC  

but how would your system maintain the value of products if ever user has their own means of production?

2019-07-19 04:15:42 UTC  

not everyone produces the same thing

2019-07-19 04:16:45 UTC  

without labor how would one accumulate currency to begin with?

2019-07-19 04:17:05 UTC  

im not a communist

2019-07-19 04:17:32 UTC  

I mean without working how would someone earn a wage to earn start a transaction in such a future where everybody has a means of production?

2019-07-19 04:17:48 UTC  

a cycle would start

2019-07-19 04:19:14 UTC  

there would be initial investments into the automation then it would just switch hands and receive improvements from there

2019-07-19 04:21:40 UTC  

If anything completion limits innovation

2019-07-19 04:21:46 UTC  

Competition

2019-07-19 04:21:47 UTC  

So everyone has a means of production and everyone can transfer their goods for currency

2019-07-19 04:21:57 UTC  

yep

2019-07-19 04:22:01 UTC  

this currency can be used to purchase goods from others

2019-07-19 04:22:06 UTC  

You need to produce profit

2019-07-19 04:22:07 UTC  

yep

2019-07-19 04:22:18 UTC  

Which means you need to cut innovation

2019-07-19 04:22:27 UTC  

why would this be needed post scarcity if anybody could just make the same product?