Message from @ʀeaper

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2019-07-19 04:09:36 UTC  

but that doesnt mean its the end

2019-07-19 04:10:02 UTC  

Of course not, it'd just be a net increase in quality, difference is needs would consistently be met?

2019-07-19 04:10:03 UTC  

there will always be more to gather more to explore more improvements to be made

2019-07-19 04:10:10 UTC  

Right

2019-07-19 04:11:01 UTC  

so you can establish that standard but not much beyond that

2019-07-19 04:11:58 UTC  

That's not necessarily true if the aim is to perfect it and if there is a demand for better iterations of product?

2019-07-19 04:12:01 UTC  

any development would be very slow no incentive to innovate no competition to drive innovation

2019-07-19 04:12:46 UTC  

Does development solely stem from competition?

2019-07-19 04:13:02 UTC  

a system based in personal production continues this while still maintaining that standard

2019-07-19 04:13:12 UTC  

so why sell yourself short?

2019-07-19 04:14:01 UTC  

This comes from the assumption that development solely stems from competition and that market competition is the only form of competition substantial to development

2019-07-19 04:14:12 UTC  

i never said that

2019-07-19 04:14:39 UTC  

i said your system would be inferior not impossible

2019-07-19 04:14:47 UTC  

No no I get that

2019-07-19 04:15:17 UTC  

but how would your system maintain the value of products if ever user has their own means of production?

2019-07-19 04:15:42 UTC  

not everyone produces the same thing

2019-07-19 04:16:45 UTC  

without labor how would one accumulate currency to begin with?

2019-07-19 04:17:05 UTC  

im not a communist

2019-07-19 04:17:32 UTC  

I mean without working how would someone earn a wage to earn start a transaction in such a future where everybody has a means of production?

2019-07-19 04:17:48 UTC  

a cycle would start

2019-07-19 04:19:14 UTC  

there would be initial investments into the automation then it would just switch hands and receive improvements from there

2019-07-19 04:21:40 UTC  

If anything completion limits innovation

2019-07-19 04:21:46 UTC  

Competition

2019-07-19 04:21:47 UTC  

So everyone has a means of production and everyone can transfer their goods for currency

2019-07-19 04:21:57 UTC  

yep

2019-07-19 04:22:01 UTC  

this currency can be used to purchase goods from others

2019-07-19 04:22:06 UTC  

You need to produce profit

2019-07-19 04:22:07 UTC  

yep

2019-07-19 04:22:18 UTC  

Which means you need to cut innovation

2019-07-19 04:22:27 UTC  

why would this be needed post scarcity if anybody could just make the same product?

2019-07-19 04:22:53 UTC  

Tech could be better but you need to factor in costs

2019-07-19 04:23:16 UTC  

Innovating too rapidly will put you in hot water

2019-07-19 04:23:32 UTC  

I kinda need to rest rn, could we continue later Reaper?

2019-07-19 04:23:44 UTC  

You just get cut by older cheaper products

2019-07-19 04:23:46 UTC  

sure

2019-07-19 04:23:52 UTC  

Thank you for questioning my beliefs

2019-07-19 04:23:57 UTC  

I really appreciate this

2019-07-19 04:24:27 UTC  

no problem thanks for not insulting me

2019-07-19 04:24:38 UTC  

Why would I? 😂

2019-07-19 04:25:06 UTC  

thats what every single communist who has joined has done

2019-07-19 04:25:34 UTC  

I was an Ancap once and I'm not an unethical marxist leninist type either 😂