That seems unethical.

I don't see defending yourself as "violence"

that's self defence

that goes back to the question of whether humans are inherently violent... i would guess we are

Then the state isn't violence

That is a different definition if violence is involved though.

But the state has to use aggessive violence to exist

Do they?

Man, I'm getting some sweet xp typing away with you peeps. XD

They levy taxes

I believe he is correct that they do.

theft is violent

Otherwise people would ignore their rules.

Think of the most BASIC of government systems

And if the rules are not enforced, there is no government.

is there a government that doesn't tax?

Volunteerism only goes so far.

Canadian Question

I'm already bored here. too many people talking lol

XD

Aw well

It was good while it lasted

@Fitzydog you sound like someone who is being beaten

XD

@AiarUther No, I just like talking one on one, not to three different people

suuuure

I don't mind a group. **shrug**

@Fitzydog so your against orgies?

It's better in text than voice.

okay, I'll stop being a troll

Alright, then let me repeat my question: What is the most basic of governments you can think of? One that provides commons defense, yes?

yes

The most rudimentary would be one that protects it citizens for some level of prosperity.

@Fitzydog can this government exist without taxation?

even the most simple?

Yes, but how successful would it be?

How long would it last?

Yes it's completely voluntary, it's just the 'main' group of 'border guards'

Imagine my Locke