Well it's the answer

I just like a bit of ideological honesty

I've been reading your chat, and I don't see the point you're really trying to make

A government can be ethical in the simplest way if you start by establishing stuff like 1)don't rob people, 2) don't kill people for no reason. **shrug**

They always get larger from there

And usually less ethical.

Just like even if you had an anarchist paradise it would be temporary because of a lack of organization.

It would create a void and at some point that would be filled.

And that's why you arm the populace

Even if they are armed doesn't mean some of them won't join forces into gangs to impose their will.

I meant for the governed society

But the state can't exist without being violent

This is fucking fun. I'm enjoying the half ass packing my stuff I'm doing while interacting in text and voice.

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and therefore unethical

I agree with your point @AiarUther

But the real question is this; can violence ever BE ethical?

no

Are you allowed to defend yourself?

No?

That seems unethical.

I don't see defending yourself as "violence"

that's self defence

that goes back to the question of whether humans are inherently violent... i would guess we are

Then the state isn't violence

That is a different definition if violence is involved though.

But the state has to use aggessive violence to exist

Do they?

Man, I'm getting some sweet xp typing away with you peeps. XD

They levy taxes

I believe he is correct that they do.

theft is violent

Otherwise people would ignore their rules.

Think of the most BASIC of government systems

And if the rules are not enforced, there is no government.

is there a government that doesn't tax?

Volunteerism only goes so far.

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I'm already bored here. too many people talking lol

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Aw well