Obviously, BMW autos get better gas mileage, and they are also faster, and they more easily meet emissions.

That's great. Wasn't what I was talking about

You were originally talking about sports cars in the context of manuals.

That was _part_ of it, yes

Inasmuch as Americans prefer manual sports cars

And that the only reason manual _econoboxes_ are offered, is because they get better mileage than automatic _econoboxes_, not because they sell in huge numbers.

But at the same time, they are cheaper to manufacture than, say, hybrids.

You might not sell manual Elantras and such in huge numbers, but you can at least not lose your ass everytime one drives off the lot.

You pooh-pooh'd me using the Cruze as an example, while failing to realize I did that because it was _the only class of car relevant to my point_

Now if your argument was that, for example, automatics are simply more efficient even in econoboxes? Fine, that's an argument we can have.

Hell, bring a good point or two and you might win.

What? They're offered because they get better mileage but not because they sell?

But you're not even arguing with me, you're arguing a strawman.

Every car that is sold is made because it is intended to be sold.

Riiiiight.

????

Because nobody sells anything for a loss ever.

That's not how it works.

Compliance cars are a thing, too; cars made to appease government regulation rather than to make money.

What?

So the cars made to comply with regulations aren't meant to be sold

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They're meant to sit there while the noncompliant cars sell??

What the fuck are you even saying

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You are talking nonsense.

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And what the fuck is a loss leader supposed to do for a car company?

Oh if they buy this economy car maybe they'll come back next week and also buy our luxury SUV??

Achieve some other goal, like _not incurring billions of dollars in fines for defying government regulation_

OH, SO THEY CAN SELL THEIR NONCOMPLIANT CARS WITHOUT ISSUE?

??????????

If the government decrees your _average_ fuel economy is to be 25mpg

Case in point: The Aston Martin Cygnet

But no one will buy your 55mpg econobox

@Sediment You're a fucking retard. Go away

Then you still sell it anyway so that you can say to the government "see? We _offer_ plenty of efficient cars! It's not our fault people don't buy them. Our lineup is at 25mpg average!"

Dealing with a misunderstanding, as with Matt, is annoying enough.

I hope a mouse shits in your coffee grounds and you get hantavirus.

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*Aston Martin Cygnet.* Seriously, its job is to increase the average MPG of the fleet.