I'm talking about the overall trend across all brands, the fact that it doesn't apply to your Cruze specifically does not make it less true.

I'm not just...

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Do you just forget about what was said earlier once you have to scroll up to see it?

In cars using the best of what current automatic technology offers, the auto versions of cars will do better in these test cycles, it's very simple. The US still gets manual versions of some of these cars that the EU doesn't because they demand it.

Never disputed that.

We aren't even arguing the same thing

I was _specifically_ talking about cars with cheaper, less advanced transmissions

The very cars you admitted get better gas mileage in the manual versions

Obviously, BMW autos get better gas mileage, and they are also faster, and they more easily meet emissions.

That's great. Wasn't what I was talking about

You were originally talking about sports cars in the context of manuals.

That was _part_ of it, yes

Inasmuch as Americans prefer manual sports cars

And that the only reason manual _econoboxes_ are offered, is because they get better mileage than automatic _econoboxes_, not because they sell in huge numbers.

But at the same time, they are cheaper to manufacture than, say, hybrids.

You might not sell manual Elantras and such in huge numbers, but you can at least not lose your ass everytime one drives off the lot.

You pooh-pooh'd me using the Cruze as an example, while failing to realize I did that because it was _the only class of car relevant to my point_

Now if your argument was that, for example, automatics are simply more efficient even in econoboxes? Fine, that's an argument we can have.

Hell, bring a good point or two and you might win.

What? They're offered because they get better mileage but not because they sell?

But you're not even arguing with me, you're arguing a strawman.

Every car that is sold is made because it is intended to be sold.

Riiiiight.

????

Because nobody sells anything for a loss ever.

That's not how it works.

Compliance cars are a thing, too; cars made to appease government regulation rather than to make money.

What?

So the cars made to comply with regulations aren't meant to be sold

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They're meant to sit there while the noncompliant cars sell??

What the fuck are you even saying

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You are talking nonsense.

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And what the fuck is a loss leader supposed to do for a car company?

Oh if they buy this economy car maybe they'll come back next week and also buy our luxury SUV??

Achieve some other goal, like _not incurring billions of dollars in fines for defying government regulation_

OH, SO THEY CAN SELL THEIR NONCOMPLIANT CARS WITHOUT ISSUE?

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