lol what? In Portland this would be the only legal way to open carry. Concealing the bullets is considered 'concealed carry'

anyway

https://wtop.com/national/2018/07/appeals-court-says-2nd-amendment-allows-open-carry-of-guns/

I have a raging boner from this right now

holy shit

freedom

It creates precedent for the whole 9th circuit, allowing their public open carry laws to be challenged

I'm starting to like this scotus already

@AiarUther It was just a lower 9th circuit court, with only 3 judges

ah

still, it's a good day

Yes, I read it over, and it's pretty broad. Not much counter argument other than "Muh proliferation of guns"

I think lefties have realised that falsely interpreting the second ammendment doesn't work anymore

california can suck a dick

Even if you can play fast and loose with the language in the 2nd ammendment, the intent is clear

ALTHOUGH!!!

And this is important...

There *is* a legal standing for banning concealed carry, and it is well established.

what is it?

still seems to run into "shall not be infringed"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruta_v._San_Diego_County

It's a pretty old historical basis going back before even the 2nd amendment, and the founders would have been well aware of the ban of concealed carry in urban areas

is there any reason to believe the founding fathers woud not support the right to conceal and carry?

Yes, there's old case law quoted in there where it was upheld in the early era

To sum up, concealed carry was only accepted in the modern era as a compromise for not having open carry, and because of public fear

I thought the point of conceal and carry was to protect people in certain circumstances

lol just read the wiki

it's pretty fascinating

I mean if I'm going to hold up a liquor store, I'm going to crack a bottle over the head of the guy that I can see own's a gun

and then hold up the store

Conceal and Carry protects me from that

*We* understand concealed carry today, but *historically* it was considered unethical

I suppose in the early 19th century, concealing a caplock or flint lock pistol would be hard

It has precedent going back to English common law applying even to cane swords lol

but I think avoiding attack from a concealed weapon is simple

don't attack folks

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it's like avoiding being shot for trespassing

I'm not arguing in favor of it, I'm just explaining the historical context lol

fair enough

open carry is better than nothing

TFW I still live in australia