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joss *no*

Sensitive Joss Whedon trying to get back into their good graces

After they chased him off of twitter in the first place

Yeah I remember that

IIRC they thought he kinda shunted Black Widow into being a Damsel character

to be fair he kinda did?

in avengers 1 she was competent in the scenes where she was on her own, showed resourcefulness when she tricked Loki into revealing that he wanted to unleash the hulk, and even though she has no place in a battle like new york she did her part

Searching about the JBP discord for Joss posts, came across this tweet from last August https://twitter.com/TheWrap/status/899351889942257664

in avengers 2 she got a random psuedo-relationship with hulk which nobody seemed to want and gave hawkeye a surprise family

and then she got kidnapped by mr.roboto and spent a chunk of the movie incapacitated

I didn't mind Hawkeye's family

Neither did I

but a lot of people saw more chemistry with her and barton

He'd been asking to be relevant at something for a while at that point

Well the thing is

if they just kept his family I'd have been fine

but the hulk relationship felt like joss was forcefully writing them not as dating

and the hulk relationship went nowhere, and was kinda lame

so I sorta get the feminist anger about that

oh, he also wrote it so that...if you remember...

Black Widow considers her torture-y spy training and infertility as being a Monster equal to literally Hulk

They mainly, from what I saw, lost their minds *just* over the fuckin' "monster" line she said, because she couldn't have children

Then her ex piled on a few months later with the above article

who, even though it's not direcrtly addressed in the MCU, is the manifestation of Hulk's abusive childhood

Hulk is literally bruce's inner abused child lashing out at a world that is terrified of him

and Natasha compares that to being infertile

laaaame...

reading that other thign now

https://twitter.com/joss/status/1002765584000413698

Dude's getting ratio'd

hawkeye-widow would've been good

but I have very little interest in the whole thing compared to the actual fandom

https://twitter.com/thefactualprep/status/1002914079588175873

yeah basically

But yeah here's my more detailed gripe

her and barton's dynamic in Avengers highly implied they had some sort of thing going

she even says the reason she's alive is cause he decided not to kill her, and recruit her instead

for Barton's family to be revealed was fine, he's a good example of a "both worlds" character then

But to suddenly have nat, the super-cool super-spy badass who breaks hearts and necks for a living, to date the anxious rage-man?

Wot?

You can have him appear to have feelings for her, but she wants too be professional about it