Message from @King Canuck
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joss *no*
Sensitive Joss Whedon trying to get back into their good graces
After they chased him off of twitter in the first place
Yeah I remember that
IIRC they thought he kinda shunted Black Widow into being a Damsel character
to be fair he kinda did?
in avengers 1 she was competent in the scenes where she was on her own, showed resourcefulness when she tricked Loki into revealing that he wanted to unleash the hulk, and even though she has no place in a battle like new york she did her part
Searching about the JBP discord for Joss posts, came across this tweet from last August https://twitter.com/TheWrap/status/899351889942257664
in avengers 2 she got a random psuedo-relationship with hulk which nobody seemed to want and gave hawkeye a surprise family
and then she got kidnapped by mr.roboto and spent a chunk of the movie incapacitated
I didn't mind Hawkeye's family
Neither did I
but a lot of people saw more chemistry with her and barton
He'd been asking to be relevant at something for a while at that point
Well the thing is
if they just kept his family I'd have been fine
but the hulk relationship felt like joss was forcefully writing them not as dating
and the hulk relationship went nowhere, and was kinda lame
oh, he also wrote it so that...if you remember...
Black Widow considers her torture-y spy training and infertility as being a Monster equal to literally Hulk
They mainly, from what I saw, lost their minds *just* over the fuckin' "monster" line she said, because she couldn't have children
Then her ex piled on a few months later with the above article
who, even though it's not direcrtly addressed in the MCU, is the manifestation of Hulk's abusive childhood
Hulk is literally bruce's inner abused child lashing out at a world that is terrified of him
and Natasha compares that to being infertile
laaaame...
reading that other thign now
https://twitter.com/joss/status/1002765584000413698
Dude's getting ratio'd
hawkeye-widow would've been good
but I have very little interest in the whole thing compared to the actual fandom
yeah basically
But yeah here's my more detailed gripe
her and barton's dynamic in Avengers highly implied they had some sort of thing going
she even says the reason she's alive is cause he decided not to kill her, and recruit her instead
for Barton's family to be revealed was fine, he's a good example of a "both worlds" character then
But to suddenly have nat, the super-cool super-spy badass who breaks hearts and necks for a living, to date the anxious rage-man?
Wot?