its ok

we have a lot of nice things that other servers don't have

My phone does thos weird thing where it doesn't go directly to something when I get a notification, so I end up forgetting that I am still in a spesific server

Let's try having a more insightful discussion about it in this channel.

I think Sargon chose the wrong label. Or the wrong description.

What could be a better description against Social Justice? Maybe True Justice?

Liberalist sounds appealing to people on the left that aren't crazy, people on the center-left, maybe even center-right. But not conservatives.

Then, there's the question, what would being a "liberalist" entail?

One of the big problems of people that are fed up with Social Justice and Feminism: they don't know how exactly to articulate against SWJs and Feminists. Or against the Alt Right even.

That's one of the problems with certain "skeptic" channels, they do a response video full of insults and jokes, but no actual arguments. Undoomed comes to mind.

When a SJW cries "cultural appropriation", people sometimes say "no it's not", when that shouldn't be the point of contention. It's whether cultural appropriation is bad or not.

So not knowing what is the point of disagreement often lets people fall into "traps" in debates that do nothing but score "points." Like Kraut not even knowing what to argue against, tilting at windmills.

JBP is quite enlightening on this, when he explains exactly why he opposes certain progressive views.

yes, there's a lot of "point scoring" going on

JBP said it himself, if something sounds wrong, you can just express that. "That doesn't sound right to me. I can't quite explain why right now, but I'll get back to that at some other time."

a lot of it seems to serve the youtube economy of likes and views

I think what would benefit the "community" more would be for Sargon to list a set of principles for people that want to be active voices against progressivism/social justice.

I don't like the idea of organizing it

I feel like he is trying to pivot coming off like a lil bitch into "we need to start a movement"

I think he wants something to get done, but doesn't want to risk being responsible for it, as if it would concede some moral high ground.

Although he already calls himself an activist, right?

What would you rather have? People orbiting an individual, or having a cause/purpose?

no leaders exactly

someone just needs to bring the bantz

there needs to be Trumps of every ideological variety

then we can have a healthy and memeable discourse

I understand as, that's the name that he chosed for himself

If people want to follow, so be it

One thing to think about.

Maybe he is trying to prove that he is not a leader, by creating a movement that no one will follow

That's some 2.5 D chess!

he should just ask for a rematch

Scroll up and you'll see Andy is preparing a second debate already.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/950527640489857024

^Tucker's twitter thread digging into Damore filing suit against Google

oh shit son

a rematch

we read through that lawsuit in <#372507611284766722> on monday, and I pasted that exact quote then

[3:37 AM] DanielKO: What could be a better description against Social Justice? Maybe True Justice?
Anti-Identitarian?

[3:39 AM] DanielKO: Liberalist sounds appealing to people on the left that aren't crazy, people on the center-left, maybe even center-right. But not conservatives.
Yes, but surely, any conservative worth his salt understands what it means and can put aside his feelings if he wants to "join" (whatever that means)

[4:00 AM] DanielKO: Then, there's the question, what would being a "liberalist" entail?
According to sargons video, he/someone should produce a list of principles, so I guess we'll know soon enough

[4:02 AM] DanielKO: One of the big problems of people that are fed up with Social Justice and Feminism: they don't know how exactly to articulate against SWJs and Feminists. Or against the Alt Right even.
That's actually the problem with any person trying to argue against any ideology when they're just a normal person with a family that has other daily things to worry about

Doctor Randomercam made a video talking about how an "anti-" denomination is a weak substrate for a community.

I think the idea is not that we just hate SJWs, it's that our principles are absolutely incompatible with their ideology. Some hate SJWs because bad targets, not bad tactics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tpBhHipMK4

yes, it's facebook cropped, and no I cbf finding the source atm (god forbid the uploader provide *that* in the description) but it's still a fun exchange