Message from @Apotheosis

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2018-01-13 06:37:25 UTC  

yes

2018-01-13 06:38:04 UTC  

I don't think genetics is involved. Bring 10 minions to this world, force them to be drones to your ideology, done it's spreading.

2018-01-13 06:38:12 UTC  

You do realise that you are not going to be able to selectively breed personalities right?

2018-01-13 06:38:26 UTC  

The way Islam spreads isn't through personalities.

2018-01-13 06:38:27 UTC  

this will then cause certain personalities to be favored and they will reach greater heights of the social hierarchy which will cause them to reproduce

2018-01-13 06:38:37 UTC  

It forces itself onto children.

2018-01-13 06:38:42 UTC  

And indoctrinates them.

2018-01-13 06:38:44 UTC  

over the less favore personalities

2018-01-13 06:39:48 UTC  

And also, why intervene in the natural mating process?

2018-01-13 06:40:52 UTC  

hm? that is the natural mating process. have good traits that are suited for the social group's ideals, reach high in the hierarchy, get laid

2018-01-13 06:41:05 UTC  

Not really.

2018-01-13 06:41:29 UTC  

Natural mating is not about reaching high in a hierarchy.

2018-01-13 06:41:33 UTC  

that's the way it's *intended* to work, let's say it like that

2018-01-13 06:41:42 UTC  

status helps you get good mates. following the group's ideals gets you status. having traits suitable for those ideals lets you follow those ideals

2018-01-13 06:41:44 UTC  

ultimately that's not how it does these days, but anyhow

2018-01-13 06:42:00 UTC  

You are thinking abotu status the wrong way around.

2018-01-13 06:42:40 UTC  

Both in natural society and in modern society status gives you access to mates. It's nothing to do with having the right personality.

2018-01-13 06:42:57 UTC  

I'd contest that, to an extent

2018-01-13 06:43:10 UTC  

Ok say you have a population A whose gene pool favors personality A that favors principles A, and population B geen pool does not favor peronality A, but they follow prinicples A. Would population B then independly developed gene pool that favors personality A. Therefore you don't need to be conserned of the gene's of the population and only the principles.

2018-01-13 06:43:13 UTC  

Personality can aid or hamper your attempts to gain status

2018-01-13 06:43:16 UTC  

status may be retained by some other means, but that must be attained at some point

2018-01-13 06:43:25 UTC  

Of course it fucking can @Smak64

2018-01-13 06:43:47 UTC  

Okay, so maybe I just misunderstood what you meant then

2018-01-13 06:44:01 UTC  

I'm just trying to understand why this matters?

2018-01-13 06:44:11 UTC  

What would you be aiming to accomplish?

2018-01-13 06:44:35 UTC  

A completely descriptive morality based on evolution

2018-01-13 06:44:49 UTC  

bypassing the is/ought problem

2018-01-13 06:45:07 UTC  

probably well out of my ballpark then, I'm gonna fuck off

2018-01-13 06:45:17 UTC  

and also reframing our idea of "individualism"

2018-01-13 06:45:35 UTC  

So you are trying to create a morality based on the evolutionary preferences of humans?

2018-01-13 06:46:07 UTC  

yeah basically

2018-01-13 06:46:15 UTC  

I wouldn't say "create" but yeah

2018-01-13 06:46:24 UTC  

Discover perhaps then

2018-01-13 06:46:49 UTC  

derive from evolutionary principles

2018-01-13 06:47:15 UTC  

theory, rather

2018-01-13 06:48:56 UTC  

@Apotheosis so what do you think would happen in the hypothetical I propose?

2018-01-13 06:49:15 UTC  

Well I would ask you two things:
1. Is it practicable? would this morality actually be able to hold sway against those created by society rather than theory?
2. Is it intended to be so? because its always interesting to muse on things but replacing the individual morality of all the people in society is nigh impossible. You can at best manipulate it.

2018-01-13 06:51:00 UTC  

I think it is "practicable" in the sense that it can provide a better perspective on moral issues especially to handle moral "relativism" between groups, to justify and work with our tribalistic tendencies

2018-01-13 06:52:02 UTC  

as for replacing people's morality... I think it may instead reframe and complete the moral conceptions of others

2018-01-13 06:52:10 UTC  

to understand our moral instincts and intuitions

2018-01-13 06:52:56 UTC  

Okay, I think I understand it a bit better now. Well I hope you're writing your thoughts down somewhere other than here, it might be something worth posting somewhere.