Message from @Apotheosis

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2018-01-13 06:35:04 UTC  

this causes the following feedback loop:

2018-01-13 06:35:45 UTC  

environment -> traits give rise to principles/culture -> cultural development affects environment -> repeat

2018-01-13 06:35:56 UTC  

If people holding one ideology outbreed other people, it can create bubbles, societal pressure to maintain the ideology.

2018-01-13 06:36:35 UTC  

yes. however it is also an effective aspect of a culture to allow for adaptation

2018-01-13 06:36:37 UTC  

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that ideologies are passed on through your genes?

2018-01-13 06:37:16 UTC  

not entirely

2018-01-13 06:37:17 UTC  

As far as I know, personalities can which then affect which idelogies your likly to pick

2018-01-13 06:37:25 UTC  

yes

2018-01-13 06:38:04 UTC  

I don't think genetics is involved. Bring 10 minions to this world, force them to be drones to your ideology, done it's spreading.

2018-01-13 06:38:12 UTC  

You do realise that you are not going to be able to selectively breed personalities right?

2018-01-13 06:38:26 UTC  

The way Islam spreads isn't through personalities.

2018-01-13 06:38:27 UTC  

this will then cause certain personalities to be favored and they will reach greater heights of the social hierarchy which will cause them to reproduce

2018-01-13 06:38:37 UTC  

It forces itself onto children.

2018-01-13 06:38:42 UTC  

And indoctrinates them.

2018-01-13 06:38:44 UTC  

over the less favore personalities

2018-01-13 06:39:48 UTC  

And also, why intervene in the natural mating process?

2018-01-13 06:40:52 UTC  

hm? that is the natural mating process. have good traits that are suited for the social group's ideals, reach high in the hierarchy, get laid

2018-01-13 06:41:05 UTC  

Not really.

2018-01-13 06:41:29 UTC  

Natural mating is not about reaching high in a hierarchy.

2018-01-13 06:41:33 UTC  

that's the way it's *intended* to work, let's say it like that

2018-01-13 06:41:42 UTC  

status helps you get good mates. following the group's ideals gets you status. having traits suitable for those ideals lets you follow those ideals

2018-01-13 06:41:44 UTC  

ultimately that's not how it does these days, but anyhow

2018-01-13 06:42:00 UTC  

You are thinking abotu status the wrong way around.

2018-01-13 06:42:40 UTC  

Both in natural society and in modern society status gives you access to mates. It's nothing to do with having the right personality.

2018-01-13 06:42:57 UTC  

I'd contest that, to an extent

2018-01-13 06:43:10 UTC  

Ok say you have a population A whose gene pool favors personality A that favors principles A, and population B geen pool does not favor peronality A, but they follow prinicples A. Would population B then independly developed gene pool that favors personality A. Therefore you don't need to be conserned of the gene's of the population and only the principles.

2018-01-13 06:43:13 UTC  

Personality can aid or hamper your attempts to gain status

2018-01-13 06:43:16 UTC  

status may be retained by some other means, but that must be attained at some point

2018-01-13 06:43:25 UTC  

Of course it fucking can @Smak64

2018-01-13 06:43:47 UTC  

Okay, so maybe I just misunderstood what you meant then

2018-01-13 06:44:01 UTC  

I'm just trying to understand why this matters?

2018-01-13 06:44:11 UTC  

What would you be aiming to accomplish?

2018-01-13 06:44:35 UTC  

A completely descriptive morality based on evolution

2018-01-13 06:44:49 UTC  

bypassing the is/ought problem

2018-01-13 06:45:07 UTC  

probably well out of my ballpark then, I'm gonna fuck off

2018-01-13 06:45:17 UTC  

and also reframing our idea of "individualism"

2018-01-13 06:45:35 UTC  

So you are trying to create a morality based on the evolutionary preferences of humans?

2018-01-13 06:46:07 UTC  

yeah basically

2018-01-13 06:46:15 UTC  

I wouldn't say "create" but yeah

2018-01-13 06:46:24 UTC  

Discover perhaps then

2018-01-13 06:46:49 UTC  

derive from evolutionary principles