Message from @Apotheosis
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the ideals are then protected by them for the sake of retaining the position of themselves and their progeny in the social hierarchy
of course, these actually need to be effective principles or else the group perishes against nature
or other groups
But its better to pass it on orally insted of genticly. As gentics only passes ideals to a fraction (also only one chance, while you can talk to someone many times).
yes, without that it only passes them on insofar as personality and IQ traits are passed down. These traits would need to give rise to values all over again if nothing were passed down orally
however, as it is effective, passing down the principles, the tradition, becomes part of an effective culture
this causes the following feedback loop:
environment -> traits give rise to principles/culture -> cultural development affects environment -> repeat
If people holding one ideology outbreed other people, it can create bubbles, societal pressure to maintain the ideology.
yes. however it is also an effective aspect of a culture to allow for adaptation
What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that ideologies are passed on through your genes?
not entirely
As far as I know, personalities can which then affect which idelogies your likly to pick
yes
I don't think genetics is involved. Bring 10 minions to this world, force them to be drones to your ideology, done it's spreading.
You do realise that you are not going to be able to selectively breed personalities right?
The way Islam spreads isn't through personalities.
this will then cause certain personalities to be favored and they will reach greater heights of the social hierarchy which will cause them to reproduce
It forces itself onto children.
And indoctrinates them.
And also, why intervene in the natural mating process?
hm? that is the natural mating process. have good traits that are suited for the social group's ideals, reach high in the hierarchy, get laid
Not really.
Natural mating is not about reaching high in a hierarchy.
that's the way it's *intended* to work, let's say it like that
status helps you get good mates. following the group's ideals gets you status. having traits suitable for those ideals lets you follow those ideals
ultimately that's not how it does these days, but anyhow
You are thinking abotu status the wrong way around.
Both in natural society and in modern society status gives you access to mates. It's nothing to do with having the right personality.
I'd contest that, to an extent
Ok say you have a population A whose gene pool favors personality A that favors principles A, and population B geen pool does not favor peronality A, but they follow prinicples A. Would population B then independly developed gene pool that favors personality A. Therefore you don't need to be conserned of the gene's of the population and only the principles.
Personality can aid or hamper your attempts to gain status
status may be retained by some other means, but that must be attained at some point
Okay, so maybe I just misunderstood what you meant then
I'm just trying to understand why this matters?
What would you be aiming to accomplish?
A completely descriptive morality based on evolution
bypassing the is/ought problem
probably well out of my ballpark then, I'm gonna fuck off