Message from @Capitán Alatriste
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Part of why he was so impatient with the invasion of russia
the german economy was set to shift gears and the deadline was coming up. Many factories were already converted
No just someone trying to deny Hitler had a socialesque economy
Part of the *its not socialism* bs
He had certain socialist elements, but concluding that he was far left for it is a huge stretch
Hitlers system was quasi based on mussalini who made italy socialist.
Oh no
What threshold does it take to meet your definition of socialism?
Even mussolini wssnt far left
facism is about middle between communism and center
Hitler was slightly right of that mark The nazi party just left of him
Fascism takes up a wide range of the upper spectrum
Depending on which actual fasist we are talking about
The overwehlming number fall to the left. Especially if they followed what musilini created as facist.
@DanConway socialism, as marx said is the stepping stone to communism by which the state has complete ownership of industry and the means of production. Private property does not exist and the economy is centrally planned to the needs of the workers.
Only a small handful fall right. Most of those were like imperial japan
South american "facism" was a lot more cneter
Cause marx is a great intelectual that you take seriously
Yes i understand that @Capitán Alatriste
Well he coined the term
Facism was created later
So you mean if they are not using the policies as a stepping stone they are not socialist?
taking from totalitarian regimes and socialism by musillini
@DanConway that's my threshold
Well it would be a bad way to define it
And all saw at its creation that facism was a middle ground between communism and Democratic capitalism
So democratic socialists are not real socialist?
If they dont see communism as the end goal?
Democratic socialists are those that transition to socialism by means of a democratic vote
If not because
I am on mobile sorry
Same, I cant avoid the typos, sorry
Socialism isnt just a *step stone to communism*
Exactly
Seeing as true marxist communism is a pipe dream
Stateless moneless society
And classless
I do not see how wothout the state
Communism would be the next step by which the state transfers the power to the people. A step we have not yet seen
Destined to either be ruled from within [tyrant] or outside [conquest]