Message from @Capitán Alatriste
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Well he coined the term
So may as well use his definition
Facism was created later
So you mean if they are not using the policies as a stepping stone they are not socialist?
taking from totalitarian regimes and socialism by musillini
@DanConway that's my threshold
Well it would be a bad way to define it
And all saw at its creation that facism was a middle ground between communism and Democratic capitalism
So democratic socialists are not real socialist?
If they dont see communism as the end goal?
Democratic socialists are those that transition to socialism by means of a democratic vote
If not because
I am on mobile sorry
Same, I cant avoid the typos, sorry
Socialism isnt just a *step stone to communism*
Exactly
Seeing as true marxist communism is a pipe dream
Stateless moneless society
And classless
I do not see how wothout the state
Communism would be the next step by which the state transfers the power to the people. A step we have not yet seen
Destined to either be ruled from within [tyrant] or outside [conquest]
Anarchy does not seem to be possible
I forgot the abolition of classes of course. Vital
It ignored human nature
so qill never be seen
How can you measure the proper allocation of resources without money @Capitán Alatriste ?
Humans always want more, and want their own. That form of communism can never be, because it ignores this basic human condition. And someone will simply take it over.
How do you know how many airports to build and train tracks to lay?
Even Stalin recognized that
As production stagnated. When he awarded people he saw a boost to their production.
Linen also forsaw this
Linen <:Commie_ball:466404411535785995>
@DanConway ideally yes. If you define the resources by needs, not wants ie clothing, food, shelter, medicine etc... of course a modern economy is incapable of supporting this without a universal method of payment
So no would be the answer
If you measure and allocate based solely on that there will be no innovation
You can't
Innovation comes from different factors. Mostly competition, but also from scarcity
Even of the *communist* nations we have seen no innovation outside of militaristic ever came
In communism there is no competition
How can resourses be moved from place to place efficiently enough to not cause issues?