Naw more corrupt socialism

because the gov still owned the means just via henchmen

They weren't state run

Party run

State run

And all planned

In time of total war they were, not during peace

Show me a socialist country that does not use the state to control the means of production and i will eat my shoe

Or party

Leather shoe would be quite the delicacy in Venezuela right now <:trumped:440551399772913674>

During their *peace time* he nationalized everything and did his sudo privatization soon before it

Well obviously I can't. During peace time the industry was privately owned by the industrial magnates that supported hitler for his antil socialist ideas. During the war when industry needed to be centralised for the war effort of course thr state took over

But the economy was planned to the month

Wasnt really anti socialist just a very specific kind

It wasnt for ideological reasons, more so to support the war effort

Is someone trying to defend socialism in this channel?

Part of why he was so impatient with the invasion of russia

the german economy was set to shift gears and the deadline was coming up. Many factories were already converted

No just someone trying to deny Hitler had a socialesque economy

Part of the *its not socialism* bs

He had certain socialist elements, but concluding that he was far left for it is a huge stretch

Hitlers system was quasi based on mussalini who made italy socialist.

Oh no

What threshold does it take to meet your definition of socialism?

Even mussolini wssnt far left

facism is about middle between communism and center

Hitler was slightly right of that mark The nazi party just left of him

Fascism takes up a wide range of the upper spectrum

Depending on which actual fasist we are talking about

The overwehlming number fall to the left. Especially if they followed what musilini created as facist.

@DanConway socialism, as marx said is the stepping stone to communism by which the state has complete ownership of industry and the means of production. Private property does not exist and the economy is centrally planned to the needs of the workers.

Only a small handful fall right. Most of those were like imperial japan

South american "facism" was a lot more cneter

Cause marx is a great intelectual that you take seriously

Yes i understand that @Capitán Alatriste

Well he coined the term

So may as well use his definition

Facism was created later

So you mean if they are not using the policies as a stepping stone they are not socialist?

taking from totalitarian regimes and socialism by musillini

@DanConway that's my threshold