Message from @Capitán Alatriste

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2018-08-09 01:38:39 UTC  

During their *peace time* he nationalized everything and did his sudo privatization soon before it

2018-08-09 01:38:51 UTC  

Well obviously I can't. During peace time the industry was privately owned by the industrial magnates that supported hitler for his antil socialist ideas. During the war when industry needed to be centralised for the war effort of course thr state took over

2018-08-09 01:38:58 UTC  

But the economy was planned to the month

2018-08-09 01:39:26 UTC  

Wasnt really anti socialist just a very specific kind

2018-08-09 01:39:31 UTC  

It wasnt for ideological reasons, more so to support the war effort

2018-08-09 01:39:35 UTC  

Is someone trying to defend socialism in this channel?

2018-08-09 01:39:47 UTC  

Part of why he was so impatient with the invasion of russia

2018-08-09 01:40:10 UTC  

the german economy was set to shift gears and the deadline was coming up. Many factories were already converted

2018-08-09 01:40:38 UTC  

No just someone trying to deny Hitler had a socialesque economy

2018-08-09 01:40:56 UTC  

Part of the *its not socialism* bs

2018-08-09 01:41:17 UTC  

He had certain socialist elements, but concluding that he was far left for it is a huge stretch

2018-08-09 01:41:19 UTC  

Hitlers system was quasi based on mussalini who made italy socialist.

2018-08-09 01:41:26 UTC  

Oh no

2018-08-09 01:41:35 UTC  

What threshold does it take to meet your definition of socialism?

2018-08-09 01:41:35 UTC  

Even mussolini wssnt far left

2018-08-09 01:42:01 UTC  

facism is about middle between communism and center

2018-08-09 01:42:24 UTC  

Hitler was slightly right of that mark The nazi party just left of him

2018-08-09 01:42:29 UTC  

Fascism takes up a wide range of the upper spectrum

2018-08-09 01:42:54 UTC  

Depending on which actual fasist we are talking about

2018-08-09 01:43:01 UTC  

The overwehlming number fall to the left. Especially if they followed what musilini created as facist.

2018-08-09 01:43:22 UTC  

@DanConway socialism, as marx said is the stepping stone to communism by which the state has complete ownership of industry and the means of production. Private property does not exist and the economy is centrally planned to the needs of the workers.

2018-08-09 01:43:23 UTC  

Only a small handful fall right. Most of those were like imperial japan

2018-08-09 01:43:27 UTC  

South american "facism" was a lot more cneter

2018-08-09 01:43:48 UTC  

Cause marx is a great intelectual that you take seriously

2018-08-09 01:43:57 UTC  

Yes i understand that @Capitán Alatriste

2018-08-09 01:44:02 UTC  

Well he coined the term

2018-08-09 01:44:15 UTC  

So may as well use his definition

2018-08-09 01:44:16 UTC  

Facism was created later

2018-08-09 01:44:31 UTC  

So you mean if they are not using the policies as a stepping stone they are not socialist?

2018-08-09 01:44:32 UTC  

taking from totalitarian regimes and socialism by musillini

2018-08-09 01:44:39 UTC  

@DanConway that's my threshold

2018-08-09 01:44:56 UTC  

Well it would be a bad way to define it

2018-08-09 01:45:09 UTC  

And all saw at its creation that facism was a middle ground between communism and Democratic capitalism

2018-08-09 01:45:14 UTC  

So democratic socialists are not real socialist?

2018-08-09 01:45:32 UTC  

If they dont see communism as the end goal?

2018-08-09 01:45:47 UTC  

Democratic socialists are those that transition to socialism by means of a democratic vote

2018-08-09 01:45:58 UTC  

If not because

2018-08-09 01:46:04 UTC  

I am on mobile sorry

2018-08-09 01:46:20 UTC  

Same, I cant avoid the typos, sorry

2018-08-09 01:46:30 UTC  

Socialism isnt just a *step stone to communism*

2018-08-09 01:46:38 UTC  

Exactly