Mankind is fallen

there is no purer nature

And it's because of the catholics

just those who become slaves to their dopamine and lesser instincts and those who attempt to gain discipline over them

just those who become slaves to their dogma and lesser instincts and those who attempt to gain discipline over them

when as a society you become a slave to what is material and purely pleasure you degenerate and fall

What are rights without duty?

when as a society you become a slave to what is intangible and purely hypotheical you degenerate and fall

What is joy without suffering

Nah, there's no taking moral instruction or assessments from someone so dumb as to imply that the reduction or increase of misery is simply a matter of personal preference. I think you're sucking on your own cock so forcefully you're on the verge of choking XP.

@Roarey It would explain why he is so anti gay

I was asking you a question

not implying anything

Is the reduction of misery a Objective moral fact?

Rights without duties are privileges

I didnt think you believed in objective morality

@Fitzydog right are something that cannot be granted

It's something that is innate

The only rights are those you make for yourself

Where’d you get that idea?

my rights are pepe-given

No no, don't go lying now, that would be immoral. You really don't care about human misery, you care about passing judgement. It is a direct result of your belief in an objective morality that is unbending. What matters in that worldview is sticking to the rules, not what reduces suffering or promotes wellbeing. It is of course true that suffering is an inescapable part of life, without which joy could not exist either, but the sources of misery and pain in life are so varied and numerous that a reduction which can be achieved or at least not making life worse, is at the very least one moral goal that isn't sadistic.

lol

Life is misery

I dont care to take Moral lessons from someone who believes them to be nothing more than a personal preference.

"lalala I can't hear you"

What else could they be, given you could search all your life and never find an objective standard of morality anywhere

If morality is not objective than anything is permissible

Even people with the same religious faith differ in their moral choices

you're talking to a former pos drunk and substance abuser here @Roarey

I have never claimed to be perfect

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It's why he's so entrenched with the stick up his anus

Everything IS permissable, hence human cruelty and evil is a practically non depletable resource. What we have are ethical frameworks that we can come to an agreement on in society and enshrine in law with penalties for breaking them. And they are always broken by people. Aren't they. Therefore no objective morality exists.

Was the holocaust morally justified to those who held it as their preference @Roarey

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Yes it was morally justified by the people who did it, which is why they fucking did it

I don't think you know what objective morality is

Foolish birb

But the holocaust isn't justified to us, because we have a different moral standard

What makes our preference better?