What about chemicals in the water

<:NPC:500042735617703967>

My example. Can you have property rights without a draft?

Shit..... that one's difficult

It would seem that your right to property no longer exists when an invading force imposes its will over your county. With property rights comes the duty of service

because without that service your property can be expropriated by an invading force

<#372513679964635138>

You're not wrong, but the protection of your right to property is ultimately up to yourself

I am happy to empathise with the pro life position, but not with arguments about overall societal moral degradation. Moralising nonsense about sexual promiscuity is is a pining for a past that never existed. Buried misery behind closed doors, as though humans of the past had a different nature that was altogether purer. You know, despite the colossal wars all over the place. I've no wish to turn back the clock. I'm definitely on board with encouraging basic family values and community spirit though, and the cultural standard of abortion being a very serious matter rather than a casual one. If it were made illegal you'd just end up with desperate DIY abortions, a terrible thing.

@Roarey you're gonna lose

the furry h8 force is gonna come out of the wood work and take a piece of your sweet ass

Haha, about that I am unconcerned

What makes misery better than happiness?

or is that just a personal preference?

Rofl.

Really had to hold that in, it's far too late at night for belly laughs

Lol

Mankind is fallen

there is no purer nature

And it's because of the catholics

just those who become slaves to their dopamine and lesser instincts and those who attempt to gain discipline over them

just those who become slaves to their dogma and lesser instincts and those who attempt to gain discipline over them

when as a society you become a slave to what is material and purely pleasure you degenerate and fall

What are rights without duty?

when as a society you become a slave to what is intangible and purely hypotheical you degenerate and fall

What is joy without suffering

Nah, there's no taking moral instruction or assessments from someone so dumb as to imply that the reduction or increase of misery is simply a matter of personal preference. I think you're sucking on your own cock so forcefully you're on the verge of choking XP.

@Roarey It would explain why he is so anti gay

I was asking you a question

not implying anything

Is the reduction of misery a Objective moral fact?

Rights without duties are privileges

I didnt think you believed in objective morality

@Fitzydog right are something that cannot be granted

It's something that is innate

The only rights are those you make for yourself

Where’d you get that idea?

my rights are pepe-given

No no, don't go lying now, that would be immoral. You really don't care about human misery, you care about passing judgement. It is a direct result of your belief in an objective morality that is unbending. What matters in that worldview is sticking to the rules, not what reduces suffering or promotes wellbeing. It is of course true that suffering is an inescapable part of life, without which joy could not exist either, but the sources of misery and pain in life are so varied and numerous that a reduction which can be achieved or at least not making life worse, is at the very least one moral goal that isn't sadistic.

lol

Life is misery