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2018-11-01 04:27:52 UTC  

So it is not a moral claim

2018-11-01 04:28:09 UTC  

@Durtle02🀠

2018-11-01 04:28:15 UTC  

"Nothing is morally wrong"

2018-11-01 04:28:16 UTC  

hql5

2018-11-01 04:28:21 UTC  

I know the argument Paul is trying to make, and it's butchered

2018-11-01 04:28:28 UTC  

Even if it were, all weve done is prove that "There are no moral claims" is the only moral claim that can exist

2018-11-01 04:28:28 UTC  

-3//9 durtle

2018-11-01 04:28:34 UTC  

that is not a statement about right and wrong?

2018-11-01 04:28:58 UTC  

"There are no moral claims" does not say anything about the moral value of anything

2018-11-01 04:29:12 UTC  

which is like saying you have a triangle with 4 sides

2018-11-01 04:29:20 UTC  

wut nigga

2018-11-01 04:29:31 UTC  

🀦

2018-11-01 04:29:32 UTC  

A claim there is an absence of something is not a claim that there is a presence of it.

2018-11-01 04:29:34 UTC  

misanalogy 5 yards

2018-11-01 04:29:46 UTC  

fourangle

2018-11-01 04:30:23 UTC  

Is says there is no moral value in anything

2018-11-01 04:30:29 UTC  

which is a moral claim

2018-11-01 04:30:42 UTC  

No it's a claim that morality doesn't exist.

2018-11-01 04:30:56 UTC  

Nope youre still not get the level of detachment it has from the value of actions

2018-11-01 04:31:03 UTC  

It's the opposite of a moral claim its a statement that there are no moral claims

2018-11-01 04:31:38 UTC  

a moral claim makes a statement about the right or wrong value of actions, "There are no moral claims" does not say anything about the value of actions

2018-11-01 04:32:12 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/507411515251621888/025adb0714500d6269b0b4e37cc9628e.png

2018-11-01 04:32:16 UTC  

there are two types moral claims

2018-11-01 04:32:23 UTC  

value claims

2018-11-01 04:32:30 UTC  

and prescriptive claims

2018-11-01 04:32:56 UTC  

According to what?

2018-11-01 04:33:05 UTC  

you are making a prescriptive claim not a value claim when you say there are no moral claims

2018-11-01 04:33:23 UTC  

methinks someone is pulling things out his ass.

2018-11-01 04:33:50 UTC  

I take it there still hasn't been any mention of what this transcendent morality constitutes either

2018-11-01 04:34:23 UTC  

At this point weve been repeating our arguments to each other ad nauseum, so ill concede for fun
We have proven the claim "There are no moral claims" is a moral claim. Great! Now no other moral claims can exist. Thanks for cleaing that up

2018-11-01 04:34:29 UTC  

prescriptive morals claims appeal to some norm or standard and tell us what the world ought to be like

2018-11-01 04:34:40 UTC  

How convenient. How lovely to be able to incessantly claim the existence of something one never has to define or substantiate.

2018-11-01 04:34:49 UTC  

> appeal to some norm or standard
sounds pretty subjective to me

2018-11-01 04:35:19 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/507412298302881793/DpqQ0XaUcAAOJzN.png

2018-11-01 04:35:29 UTC  

OwO

2018-11-01 04:36:46 UTC  

Im not sure what the disconnect is

2018-11-01 04:37:13 UTC  

I think the disconnect is,... BOOMER.

2018-11-01 04:37:42 UTC  

Simple, doesn't get simpler. If you claim objective morality exists, that it is transcendent, simply describe what that transcendent morality is and where it comes from.

2018-11-01 04:37:44 UTC  

We'll connect when you make a non-contradictory statement

2018-11-01 04:38:19 UTC  

I am saying the statement itself is contrary to itself