Message from @🌻 togepi 🌻

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2018-11-01 04:29:12 UTC  

which is like saying you have a triangle with 4 sides

2018-11-01 04:29:20 UTC  

wut nigga

2018-11-01 04:29:31 UTC  

🀦

2018-11-01 04:29:32 UTC  

A claim there is an absence of something is not a claim that there is a presence of it.

2018-11-01 04:29:34 UTC  

misanalogy 5 yards

2018-11-01 04:29:46 UTC  

fourangle

2018-11-01 04:30:23 UTC  

Is says there is no moral value in anything

2018-11-01 04:30:29 UTC  

which is a moral claim

2018-11-01 04:30:42 UTC  

No it's a claim that morality doesn't exist.

2018-11-01 04:30:56 UTC  

Nope youre still not get the level of detachment it has from the value of actions

2018-11-01 04:31:03 UTC  

It's the opposite of a moral claim its a statement that there are no moral claims

2018-11-01 04:31:38 UTC  

a moral claim makes a statement about the right or wrong value of actions, "There are no moral claims" does not say anything about the value of actions

2018-11-01 04:32:12 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/507411515251621888/025adb0714500d6269b0b4e37cc9628e.png

2018-11-01 04:32:16 UTC  

there are two types moral claims

2018-11-01 04:32:23 UTC  

value claims

2018-11-01 04:32:30 UTC  

and prescriptive claims

2018-11-01 04:32:56 UTC  

According to what?

2018-11-01 04:33:05 UTC  

you are making a prescriptive claim not a value claim when you say there are no moral claims

2018-11-01 04:33:23 UTC  

methinks someone is pulling things out his ass.

2018-11-01 04:33:50 UTC  

I take it there still hasn't been any mention of what this transcendent morality constitutes either

2018-11-01 04:34:23 UTC  

At this point weve been repeating our arguments to each other ad nauseum, so ill concede for fun
We have proven the claim "There are no moral claims" is a moral claim. Great! Now no other moral claims can exist. Thanks for cleaing that up

2018-11-01 04:34:29 UTC  

prescriptive morals claims appeal to some norm or standard and tell us what the world ought to be like

2018-11-01 04:34:40 UTC  

How convenient. How lovely to be able to incessantly claim the existence of something one never has to define or substantiate.

2018-11-01 04:34:49 UTC  

> appeal to some norm or standard
sounds pretty subjective to me

2018-11-01 04:35:19 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/507412298302881793/DpqQ0XaUcAAOJzN.png

2018-11-01 04:35:29 UTC  

OwO

2018-11-01 04:36:46 UTC  

Im not sure what the disconnect is

2018-11-01 04:37:13 UTC  

I think the disconnect is,... BOOMER.

2018-11-01 04:37:42 UTC  

Simple, doesn't get simpler. If you claim objective morality exists, that it is transcendent, simply describe what that transcendent morality is and where it comes from.

2018-11-01 04:37:44 UTC  

We'll connect when you make a non-contradictory statement

2018-11-01 04:38:19 UTC  

I am saying the statement itself is contrary to itself

2018-11-01 04:38:50 UTC  

That describes perfectly well everything youve said

2018-11-01 04:38:59 UTC  

So you believe that something exists but to be asked what it is is a contradiction in itself. Yeah. Wow. Holy. Shit.

2018-11-01 04:39:01 UTC  

@Puma lol i stole that from here

2018-11-01 04:39:07 UTC  

Oh

2018-11-01 04:39:16 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/507413294106279937/image0.png

2018-11-01 04:39:41 UTC  

where the other person stole it from lmao

2018-11-01 04:39:53 UTC  

I am making the claim that we either live in a amoral universe or a moral one
and an objectively moral one is more likely

2018-11-01 04:40:16 UTC  

And what is a moral universe? What does that mean? What is objective morality?

2018-11-01 04:40:27 UTC  

Define. It.