Message from @Roarey
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> appeal to some norm or standard
sounds pretty subjective to me
OwO
Im not sure what the disconnect is
I think the disconnect is,... BOOMER.
Simple, doesn't get simpler. If you claim objective morality exists, that it is transcendent, simply describe what that transcendent morality is and where it comes from.
We'll connect when you make a non-contradictory statement
I am saying the statement itself is contrary to itself
That describes perfectly well everything youve said
So you believe that something exists but to be asked what it is is a contradiction in itself. Yeah. Wow. Holy. Shit.
Oh
where the other person stole it from lmao
I am making the claim that we either live in a amoral universe or a moral one
and an objectively moral one is more likely
And what is a moral universe? What does that mean? What is objective morality?
Define. It.
you have already made it clear you do not understand what any of those things are
Define it then.
and an ontological (definition based) argument is not valid because it is based on language alone
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That moral claims can be true, or false
how do you define something if not using a definition
If an argument to prove the existence of something is based on manipulating english language definitions, its not based on reality itself
Right, and what is the standard for knowing if a moral value is true or false? How is that determined?
Can things not be known Apriori?
> "There are no moral claims" is a moral claim
is an example of a bullshit ontological argument that doesnt really prove anything but that you can make little english paradoxes if you interpret things just right
Stop dodging and being dishonest.
I am not being dishonest
then present your beautiful proof
Not giving an answer, over and over again, by dodging a basic question is an act of dishonesty
If you will not accept an apriori argument how can i?
It is to deliberately avoid having to answer, hiding what that answer is. It is deceptive and the tactic of a dishonest swine.
> Can't except my assumptions so its unfair
your assumptions are bad get better ones
Do you know what apriori means?
> Lets start with first mover
I almost fell outta my seat
a priori literally means "from the former"
its basically an assumption
Answer the question. Don't ask one. Answer. Be an honest person.