Message from @🌻 togepi 🌻
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Define it then.
Elucidate me, illuminate for me the mysteries and your wisdom.
and an ontological (definition based) argument is not valid because it is based on language alone
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That moral claims can be true, or false
how do you define something if not using a definition
If an argument to prove the existence of something is based on manipulating english language definitions, its not based on reality itself
Right, and what is the standard for knowing if a moral value is true or false? How is that determined?
Can things not be known Apriori?
> "There are no moral claims" is a moral claim
is an example of a bullshit ontological argument that doesnt really prove anything but that you can make little english paradoxes if you interpret things just right
Stop dodging and being dishonest.
I am not being dishonest
then present your beautiful proof
Not giving an answer, over and over again, by dodging a basic question is an act of dishonesty
If you will not accept an apriori argument how can i?
It is to deliberately avoid having to answer, hiding what that answer is. It is deceptive and the tactic of a dishonest swine.
> Can't except my assumptions so its unfair
your assumptions are bad get better ones
Do you know what apriori means?
> Lets start with first mover
I almost fell outta my seat
a priori literally means "from the former"
Answer the question. Don't ask one. Answer. Be an honest person.
objective morality is the idea that there are right and wrong decisions regardless of who you are right?
relating to or denoting reasoning or knowledge that proceeds from theoretical deduction rather than from observation or experience.
pretty much
I'm off to bed
yes but your theoretical deduction skills arent the sharpest rn
dab 2.0
If you make an absolute statement all you have to do to disprove it is find one thing that contradicts the absolute
Its really fun too
Like when someone says there is an absolute morality all you have to do is find one contradiction
like?
> I have an objective morality
> Sometimes I make exceptions that are a better choice in the situation
lol
going against objective morality does not disprove its objectiveness
But you made a moral choice that you believed was right that went against it
This isn't difficult. If you make the claim that we live in a moral universe, a universe with an objective moral standard, that exists independently of what anybody thinks, simply describe what that standard is and how we know what it is. You've said that moral questions have a true or false quality to them, so say how we discover that truth or falsehood. If you actually have a point that isn't complete and utter shit, you can answer that most basic of basic questions.
Funnily enough, Occam's razor has an application here.
> Cant wait to see the whole text of the bible dropped in here