Message from @🌻 togepi 🌻

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2018-11-01 04:39:01 UTC  

@Puma lol i stole that from here

2018-11-01 04:39:07 UTC  

Oh

2018-11-01 04:39:16 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/507413294106279937/image0.png

2018-11-01 04:39:41 UTC  

where the other person stole it from lmao

2018-11-01 04:39:53 UTC  

I am making the claim that we either live in a amoral universe or a moral one
and an objectively moral one is more likely

2018-11-01 04:40:16 UTC  

And what is a moral universe? What does that mean? What is objective morality?

2018-11-01 04:40:27 UTC  

Define. It.

2018-11-01 04:40:41 UTC  

you have already made it clear you do not understand what any of those things are

2018-11-01 04:40:49 UTC  

Define it then.

2018-11-01 04:41:12 UTC  

Elucidate me, illuminate for me the mysteries and your wisdom.

2018-11-01 04:41:13 UTC  

and an ontological (definition based) argument is not valid because it is based on language alone

2018-11-01 04:41:34 UTC  

^

2018-11-01 04:41:38 UTC  

That moral claims can be true, or false

2018-11-01 04:41:54 UTC  

how do you define something if not using a definition

2018-11-01 04:42:36 UTC  

If an argument to prove the existence of something is based on manipulating english language definitions, its not based on reality itself

2018-11-01 04:42:40 UTC  

Right, and what is the standard for knowing if a moral value is true or false? How is that determined?

2018-11-01 04:44:01 UTC  

Can things not be known Apriori?

2018-11-01 04:44:09 UTC  

> "There are no moral claims" is a moral claim
is an example of a bullshit ontological argument that doesnt really prove anything but that you can make little english paradoxes if you interpret things just right

2018-11-01 04:44:16 UTC  

Stop dodging and being dishonest.

2018-11-01 04:44:27 UTC  

I am not being dishonest

2018-11-01 04:44:40 UTC  

then present your beautiful proof

2018-11-01 04:44:52 UTC  

Not giving an answer, over and over again, by dodging a basic question is an act of dishonesty

2018-11-01 04:45:09 UTC  

If you will not accept an apriori argument how can i?

2018-11-01 04:45:27 UTC  

It is to deliberately avoid having to answer, hiding what that answer is. It is deceptive and the tactic of a dishonest swine.

2018-11-01 04:45:40 UTC  

> Can't except my assumptions so its unfair
your assumptions are bad get better ones

2018-11-01 04:46:04 UTC  

Do you know what apriori means?

2018-11-01 04:46:06 UTC  

> Lets start with first mover
I almost fell outta my seat

2018-11-01 04:46:21 UTC  

a priori literally means "from the former"

2018-11-01 04:46:25 UTC  

its basically an assumption

2018-11-01 04:46:29 UTC  

Answer the question. Don't ask one. Answer. Be an honest person.

2018-11-01 04:46:33 UTC  

objective morality is the idea that there are right and wrong decisions regardless of who you are right?

2018-11-01 04:46:35 UTC  

relating to or denoting reasoning or knowledge that proceeds from theoretical deduction rather than from observation or experience.

2018-11-01 04:46:45 UTC  

pretty much

2018-11-01 04:47:14 UTC  
2018-11-01 04:47:19 UTC  

I'm off to bed

2018-11-01 04:47:47 UTC  

yes but your theoretical deduction skills arent the sharpest rn

2018-11-01 04:47:53 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/507415464129986590/e9866ee.jpg

2018-11-01 04:48:02 UTC  

dab 2.0

2018-11-01 04:48:54 UTC  

If you make an absolute statement all you have to do to disprove it is find one thing that contradicts the absolute

2018-11-01 04:49:05 UTC  

Its really fun too

2018-11-01 04:49:51 UTC  

Like when someone says there is an absolute morality all you have to do is find one contradiction