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I was just thinking about this article by Scientific America titled "The Personality Trait That Is Ripping America (and the World) Apart." I really wonder why so much of the lgbt community, particularly the non-binary community, which I am a part of, is so pre-occupied with that gross sort of political correctness that doesn't allow differing opinions or use of words considered verboten. This behavior isn't an exclusive trait of the lgbt community, as there are those like myself, and a few of my friends who do not fall under this category. I'm going to try to apply the knowledge I gained from the recent Scientific America article I read on how the traits agreeableness and antagonism might play into this trait.
It would seem that the article lays out about 4 general characteristics within agreeableness and antagonism dichotomy (agreeableness being only one of 5 personality traits, generally regarded as the norm for all people). To quote the article "Agreeableness (the opposite pole of antagonism) consists of two main aspects: politeness and compassion." For antagonism, the article lays out the two traits "On the other end of the pole, people with low levels of politeness (antagonistic people) tend to score high on measures of aggression, whereas those with low levels of compassion tend to score poorly on measures of empathy."
The article also points out the ways these two traits, antagonism and agreeableness are not mutually exclusive. To quote the article: "While politeness and compassion can come apart—e.g., a person can score high in compassion but low in politeness—politeness and compassion are strongly correlated in the general population and both aspects together comprise the overall personality domain of agreeableness." I will cover this much more in depth further down the road, when we go into more depth of the differences between these two things (I will take up where we left off from here with an @ symbol).
According to the article, agreeableness isn't exclusive to right wingers or left wingers. /To quote the article/ "Research shows that both liberals and conservatives are agreeable, but they are agreeable in different ways: the politeness aspect of agreeableness is associated with a conservative outlook and more traditional moral values, whereas the compassion aspect of agreeableness is associated with liberalism and egalitarianism." /More commentary from the article./ "Politeness reflects the tendency to conform to social norms and refrain from belligerence and the exploitation of others, whereas compassion reflects the tendency to care about others emotionally."
Those who are more antagonistic are more likely to play into populist messages like Brexit and Trump, which could be considered demagogue rhetoric. To quote the article "In particular, antagonistic people found an anti-establishment message arousing, whereas highly agreeable people found a pro-establishment message arousing." [While the article does point out that there are reasons why demagogue rhetoric besides just being antagonistic, such as being left behind by politicians economically, it does seem to display a neo-liberal bias, and ignores left wing populists like Bernie Sanders entirely, who do not use demagogue rhetoric]. The article says that those who prefer a more status quo message are more agreeable. To quote the article "In particular, antagonistic people found an anti-establishment message arousing, whereas highly agreeable people found a pro-establishment message arousing."
Now, to take up where we left off (here I will signal the @ I said I would earlier), the compassion and politeness aren't mutually exclusive. The article says that politeness is generally associated with being pro-establishment. Being pro-establishment, I just mentioned, is not an exclusively left wing, or right wing phenomena. A left wing populist can use polite anti-establishment rhetoric to garner the support of left wing populist ideas. But, as we mentioned earlier, to quote the article again, "While politeness and compassion can come apart—e.g., a person can score high in compassion but low in politeness—politeness and compassion are strongly correlated in the general population and both aspects together comprise the overall personality domain of agreeableness." How would you explain left wing populists who are less polite, but high in compassion?
This article seems to suggest that the right wing tendency of in group and out group preference is exclusive to right wing ideology. To quote the article "Prior research has shown that high authoritarians express less tolerance towards out-group members and support populist parties with a right-wing host ideology." Now, there is a very clear tendency in the left wing to have a strong in group preference, high in authoritarianism as well. These left wing authoritarians are often considered "SJWs". SJW stands for "social justice warrior". These are people who prefer language policing and constructing safe spaces where opposing ideas ren't allowed, in order to create a more agreeable environment (although some safe spaces, such as those for lgbt people, are more acceptable, given some people just want a place where they won't be harassed, or have their identity come under scrutiny, so they can be with people who understand and sympathize).
I would consider myself very highly egalitarian and liberal (I am more of a left wing socialist), yet I would depart from other left wingers who are very high in politeness. I would say that this is not because of being belligerant, as the article proposes (to quote it again), "Politeness reflects the tendency to conform to social norms and refrain from belligerence and the exploitation of others, whereas compassion reflects the tendency to care about others emotionally." This is where I think the left wing authoritarians mistake honesty for belligerance. I care about the search for truth through open dialog because I care about philosophical dialog, which is where everyone can have an honest and open dialog about what they think, so that an actual understanding of ideas can be reached, instead of a simple conformity of ideas through dogma. I don't think actual reason and understanding can be reached through group think and conformity, what George Orwell would call a "thought crime". I think this is why left wing authoritarians have difficulty having discussions with others. They didn't reach their opinions through logic, they reached them through in group preference. This is why they are more concerned with tone policing, as opposed to reaching mutual understandings between each individual.
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This tendency of left wing authoritarians to be very high in agreeable traits such as politeness, and compassion, might not even be called "polite" in a standard view of what it means to be polite. They may, in fact, be quite impolite to people they disagree with. Because they are concerned with politeness to create an in group dynamic, more like creating a cult of ideas instead of having an open dialog and arriving at conclusions through logic, they may behave quite aggressively and rudely to those who they disagree with. So in this way, the politeness dynamic can actually lead to quite a negation of what could typically be called "polite". They actually become much like those low in empathy, and high in aggression. Polite dialog can take place between people who disagree, but those high in politeness can become much like those who are high in antagonism when their in group, cult ideology is threatened.
This may be why I, as a person who is strongly dedicated to left wing ideas, and the lgbt community, have that rare diversion from the typical combination of politeness and compassion which exists in the agreeable personality trait, in that I think politeness is often mistaken as "agreeing with everything one says", when really I think it can also manifest itself as showing patience with those who have different opinions. So 2 new tendencies in the politeness aspect of agreeableness should be established. 1, would be people who are polite because they are part of a cult of ideology, and 2 would be people who are genuinely respectful to those with different opinions, because they are able to regulate their emotions better. The tribal dynamics of the Orwellian politeness arise from tribal dynamics, which result from a desire for emotional fulfillment through group acceptance.
I reject the cult of political correctness because I have the capacity to listen to others, and not lash out (although sometimes even I have no patience for what others say, and resort to a more simple, and easy form of rhetoric, which is the in-group, out-group tribalism distinct in politically correct SJW circles). True politeness is when differences in opinions are respected, and engaged in a rational, calm way. However, because I have this rare desire for individualistic thinking, non cultish group dynamics, I am rejected by many left wing groups who have the more common combination of Orwellian politeness [and if you remember George Orwell's 1984, the politeness was more of a creepy zomby quality, in which everyone was secretly stressed as hell because they were afraid they would say something offensive], and compassion.
I believe that if we are to escape the tribalism of our modern day, we need to reject wholeheartedly the SJW, Orwellian politically correct politeness, and adopt an individualistic politeness, and compassion. Through compassion for others, and the elimination of the in-group, out group dynamic, we can strengthen the bonds between people, and possibly achieve a less hostile political atmosphere, which has been made painful by the demagogues, and the SJWs. The SJWs are the opposite tendency of demagogues, which is another thing this article did not mention, showing a very clear bias for not only neo-liberalism (as it displays in it's negation of even mentioning left wing populists), but also in it's negation of in group preference left-wing authoritarians, by saying that in-group authoritarianism is only a right wing phenomena.
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