but its consistent across ***all*** twin studies

Sexual reproduction causes the shuffling around (recombination) which breaks the epistasis so it actually isn't the death toll for heritability estimates or quantitative genetics

Maybe there's a consistent sociological effect, @Nerthulas?

if they didn't treat them the same, wouldn't that make them score differently?

A confounding sociological variable.

that's the opposit eof the claim

but its different from the other siblings @BabygottBach

"Parent may treat their twins differently by 1/10,000th of a degree, therefore ambiguity on heritability

lmao

so they are more alike to each other than to people they share environment with

omg you guys are still at it

can you explain this?

@TheUserNameofPeace, where's the evidence for how close the parents treat their twins?

It's pretty obvious actually considering we have been breeding animals and plants (and prob humans too) for over ten thousand years with great success

twin adoption studies

@BabygottBach yes

still score the same..

sociological effects

@BabygottBach but can you explain why the twins are always more alike in intelligence than their non-related siblings

kraut already explained twin studies are useless unless you precisely understand the genetic mechanisms

Separated twins perform similiarly

Raised separated

sociological effects are the answer @TheUserNameofPeace ?

Sociological effects

yep

How do you know

no

what sociological effect causes twins to be 80% alike in intelligence? @BabygottBach

can you tell me?

until you debunk the sociological effect hypothesis, you're just arguing god of the gaps

thats liyerally your argument

It's fascinating how mirrored the two positions are.

https://www.livescience.com/47288-twin-study-importance-of-genetics.html

Jesus this guy is such a sophist

I ask for the genetic molecular mechanisms, I get accused of god of the gaps

I just want you to explain why the twins perform so similarly @BabygottBach

it seems like you're squirming

Then you do exactly the same thing with the twin studies

```"We were surprised by certain behaviors that showed a genetic influence, such as religiosity [and] social attitudes," said Nancy Segal, an evolutionary psychologist at California State University, Fullerton, who was part of the study for nine years. "Those surprised us, because we thought those certainly must come from the family [environment]," Segal told Live Science. Segal described the groundbreaking research on Aug. 7 here at a meeting of the American Psychological Association.```

It's not just IQ

You are arguing from god of the gaps.