Message from @troglodytes

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2019-11-02 08:53:58 UTC  

Thus is grants ***tremendous*** authority

2019-11-02 08:54:14 UTC  

values are subjective and relative. Objective morality would have to come from some type of metaphysics

2019-11-02 08:54:19 UTC  

Suddenly there's someone tapping a different set of basic rules or dynamics

2019-11-02 08:54:21 UTC  

Yes, the black box
How or why it happened is not necessary
Just that it did
Which is the nature of a miracle

2019-11-02 08:54:23 UTC  

That's the basis

2019-11-02 08:54:32 UTC  

Well

2019-11-02 08:54:37 UTC  

Not even a black box

2019-11-02 08:54:37 UTC  

the way the genes translate this to personal experience of morals in your control loop is irrelevant

2019-11-02 08:54:42 UTC  

It is at first

2019-11-02 08:54:46 UTC  

genetically this is what morals are

2019-11-02 08:54:48 UTC  

But the miracle doer explicates

2019-11-02 08:54:56 UTC  

Thus the religion forms

2019-11-02 08:55:10 UTC  

And insofar as he has a monopoly on that miracle, or others, he's unrivaled

2019-11-02 08:55:16 UTC  

Shouldn't he define the miracle within the target system/axiom though?

2019-11-02 08:55:21 UTC  

So unique, unrivaled access to an authority

2019-11-02 08:55:23 UTC  

genetics do not completely determine moral values. moral values are the lowest in terms of heritability

2019-11-02 08:55:25 UTC  

@Banjod What percentage of everything does your concept of good include?

2019-11-02 08:55:30 UTC  

miracles are neither necessary nor good

2019-11-02 08:55:36 UTC  

@Deleted User well... lol

2019-11-02 08:55:47 UTC  

morals are typical behaviours

2019-11-02 08:55:57 UTC  

fried in

2019-11-02 08:56:00 UTC  

morals are not behaviors but beliefs of good and bad

2019-11-02 08:56:09 UTC  

nah

2019-11-02 08:56:10 UTC  

that translate into behaviours

2019-11-02 08:56:17 UTC  

thats higher abstraction of it

2019-11-02 08:56:20 UTC  

@Trommm I'm a little tired rn, but it's a ranking system, so going through how exactly you would find the best good is hard.

2019-11-02 08:56:20 UTC  

Your religion will have to be neo-liberal pragmatism without miracles

2019-11-02 08:56:27 UTC  

it all depends

2019-11-02 08:56:33 UTC  

no its the other way around

2019-11-02 08:56:40 UTC  

of what you sat

2019-11-02 08:56:43 UTC  

say

2019-11-02 08:57:01 UTC  

higher level abstraction is contingent upon many rational moral valuations

2019-11-02 08:57:02 UTC  

first comes the firmware lower level stuff

2019-11-02 08:57:03 UTC  

but you can name two things, and I can tell you which is the better ideal..

2019-11-02 08:57:09 UTC  

lol

2019-11-02 08:57:10 UTC  

then the higher level loop

2019-11-02 08:57:12 UTC  

when we moralize we abstract

2019-11-02 08:57:24 UTC  

(consciousness)

2019-11-02 08:57:30 UTC  

decisions are filtered into the frontal lobe

2019-11-02 08:57:37 UTC  

A world populated entirely by Jews. Or populated entirely by Germans.

2019-11-02 08:57:40 UTC  

so there has to be a level of abstraction no matter what