@Banjod Just define one word.

well, that is why you rape in excess tromm

no, that word is a billion things

you're asking me to describe everything good

Ban, lol

genghis khan was the ultimate chad because of how much seed he spread. Sure some killed themselves and so forth, but in the grand scheme of things, he had a lot of offspring

You define what is pragmatic by defining the system
And treating the rest as a black box
The initial input is what is needed as justification
i.e. a miracle I think

all justification is ad hoc

@Deleted User A miracle is outside that

the idea is if you behave in a way that deeply hurts people, they eventuially will get rid of you

It's not rational

you know objective morality exists, most likely, just by pure honesty. If objective morality didn't exist, you would honestly think someone talking about fking banas are on teh same level as eating healthy foods

It's a fact

thats morals

Or perception

@TheUserNameofPeace we agree here yes

I am defending miracles

But it's a miracle by way of breaking outside of normal day to day causality

no one sane or decent thinks that

Thus is grants ***tremendous*** authority

values are subjective and relative. Objective morality would have to come from some type of metaphysics

Suddenly there's someone tapping a different set of basic rules or dynamics

Yes, the black box
How or why it happened is not necessary
Just that it did
Which is the nature of a miracle

That's the basis

Well

Not even a black box

the way the genes translate this to personal experience of morals in your control loop is irrelevant

It is at first

genetically this is what morals are

But the miracle doer explicates

Thus the religion forms

And insofar as he has a monopoly on that miracle, or others, he's unrivaled

Shouldn't he define the miracle within the target system/axiom though?

So unique, unrivaled access to an authority

genetics do not completely determine moral values. moral values are the lowest in terms of heritability

@Banjod What percentage of everything does your concept of good include?

miracles are neither necessary nor good

@Deleted User well... lol

morals are typical behaviours

fried in

morals are not behaviors but beliefs of good and bad