the five arguments feel like they were written by a bright kindergartener

science doesn't disprove god though

theyre not very compelling

you havent interacted with the real ones, only caricatures

yes, but i have quantum metaphysics

I find 1. compelling so far. I read Richard Carrier's criticism and was not swayed.

plus there is the passing down of knowledge through religion that could help adherents retain culture, and moral ideas throughout all of time, despite of the situation.

1. is first mover

thats brainlet tier

I read Richard Carrier's critique and was unconvinced.

i would bet 1000 dollars you've only heard the strawman version of the argument from motion

write them all

in a sentence

1. first mover

2.?

was banjod

the first mover?

the first mover was banjod

but dont you know that argument?

yea ive been thinking about how most gods ever conceived are intrinsically tied to genesis
its interesting

Unmoved Mover is necessary

In one form or another

and i wonder if thats a first order condition

yes so almost all gods are based on fallacious reasoning

Sorta, Ed Feser's argument has 42 premises, so I do not know it by heart.

its almost comical

Great flood = ice caps melting, fast

no

Fug, you'd be able to make a better argument if you still were operating in an eternal Universe, but physics shows up the Universe had a beginning

our small part of it had a beginning

Shoots holes in whatever approach to an uncreated universe you might put forward

noah's flood was a local flood that took place on the arabian peninsula about 13k years ago

the beginning was actually a symmetry breaking

The flood didn't happen. Someone wrote a book on it. The writer's did not mean for people to conceptualize it as real. @Deleted User let me post a good video one it.

just a state change like ice melting

something existed before then

Symmetry breaking in what?

the higgs field

You aren't solving the problem with mechanics

@glamp there was a local flood in Noah's day that flood the Persian gulf though which is where Eden is.

the point is the universe existed before the big bang