Message from @Rick Turpin

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2019-12-05 10:27:41 UTC  

@Muad'Dib It is not entirely unelected though. Nigel Farage for example been elected in Eu parliament for decade at least. Yes, there is a bureaucratic part - as UK has (Whitehawk).

The question lies in the details. So for example Orban often blames EU, but in the end his party takes important position. Had been voted in for decades now, always supported mostly Merkel's wing of People's Party.

2019-12-05 10:27:55 UTC  

@Rick Turpin English structure has it's problems too.

2019-12-05 10:28:22 UTC  

2014 around4 million people voted to UKIP in general election. Around 13 million to Conservatives.

2019-12-05 10:28:37 UTC  

Guess how many UKIP seats had been in House of Commons?

2019-12-05 10:28:44 UTC  

The EU is designed to be a “high authority” over national interests and can often superseded them

2019-12-05 10:29:19 UTC  

EU parliament elections in uk are viewed as as protest vote - no one takes them seriously

2019-12-05 10:29:34 UTC  

That’s why ukip makes big gains or brexit party

2019-12-05 10:30:00 UTC  

@Rick Turpin Again, that is not entirely true. So compare to UK electoral system Parliament of EU is more of a representation of people's will.

2019-12-05 10:30:01 UTC  

If people takes it seriously better.

2019-12-05 10:30:03 UTC  

In UK electoral system the winner takes it all.

2019-12-05 10:30:09 UTC  

So UKIP in 2014

2019-12-05 10:30:17 UTC  

With 4 million supporters have no seat.

2019-12-05 10:30:22 UTC  

In House of Commons.

2019-12-05 10:30:27 UTC  

None.

2019-12-05 10:30:45 UTC  

Less than 4 time of population support Conservatives had 320+ seats

2019-12-05 10:31:12 UTC  

(Hence people were fed up and teh fisrt time they can vote against David Cameron - they did.

2019-12-05 10:31:15 UTC  

First past the post was kept as the AV+ or proportional representation system was downvoted in a referendum - I voted FPTP

2019-12-05 10:31:19 UTC  

(Berxit referendum)

2019-12-05 10:32:23 UTC  

Also there is a problem with English representation in UK politics. Devoluton created regional control of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales, but where is the one for England?

2019-12-05 10:33:03 UTC  

You see the rise of English identification in the 2011 Cenus (and the loss of British)

2019-12-05 10:33:21 UTC  

Only reason we had brexit vote was Cameron went to the EU for an update on our position (came back with fuck all) - that split the conservatives so to decide it was put to a vote or farage might have won if nothing was done

2019-12-05 10:33:54 UTC  

Sure, one reason he did teh referendum is to stop the loss of voters to teh UKIP.

2019-12-05 10:33:55 UTC  

@KarasuKafka I agree about England’s position - we should have regional assemblies too

2019-12-05 10:34:10 UTC  

Also probably more than one regional assembly.

2019-12-05 10:34:24 UTC  

Aye norf and south

2019-12-05 10:34:26 UTC  

London has too much power due it's economical strength.

2019-12-05 10:35:02 UTC  

New York is the same

2019-12-05 10:35:12 UTC  

Probably some division of South East and West too.

2019-12-05 10:36:02 UTC  

London is a very dark place

2019-12-05 10:36:04 UTC  

Aye Lancashire and Yorkshire are two different worlds (it’s said those who have kids across county lines have sterile mule children)

2019-12-05 10:36:16 UTC  

Cornwall would suffer if whole South under one umbrella.

2019-12-05 10:36:45 UTC  

Cornwall are celts genetically

2019-12-05 10:37:19 UTC  

@Muad'Dib So I am not talking here about immigration, but I just heard it recently, need to read of the details. But there is a relic of London's council (local) election system I believe.

2019-12-05 10:37:38 UTC  

And that is companies and businesses has voting rights of seats of the city council too.

2019-12-05 10:37:49 UTC  

A heritage of the medieval guilt system.

2019-12-05 10:38:03 UTC  

Not sure the proportion.

2019-12-05 10:38:11 UTC  

Oh yes there is a lot of very sketchy financial history to London

2019-12-05 10:38:17 UTC  

Or what qualifies as a body to vote.

2019-12-05 10:38:30 UTC  

London has been a free city since William the conquer needed their consent to rule - everything beyond was filed out to his buddies

2019-12-05 10:38:31 UTC  

It is a medieval age heritage.

2019-12-05 10:38:48 UTC  

Yep as rick said.