Message from @Rick Turpin
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The whole EU structure is perverse if your an English man - the executive is unelected (appointed by the 27 heads of state) - they ask the parliament (the one the uk said has to be elected as they weren’t prior to 1979) to rubber stamp the laws. The executive also pledges to go against national interests for the sake of the EU (to anyone who values the 1689 civil rights bill and common law this is sick)
@Muad'Dib It is not entirely unelected though. Nigel Farage for example been elected in Eu parliament for decade at least. Yes, there is a bureaucratic part - as UK has (Whitehawk).
The question lies in the details. So for example Orban often blames EU, but in the end his party takes important position. Had been voted in for decades now, always supported mostly Merkel's wing of People's Party.
@Rick Turpin English structure has it's problems too.
2014 around4 million people voted to UKIP in general election. Around 13 million to Conservatives.
Guess how many UKIP seats had been in House of Commons?
The EU is designed to be a “high authority” over national interests and can often superseded them
EU parliament elections in uk are viewed as as protest vote - no one takes them seriously
That’s why ukip makes big gains or brexit party
@Rick Turpin Again, that is not entirely true. So compare to UK electoral system Parliament of EU is more of a representation of people's will.
If people takes it seriously better.
In UK electoral system the winner takes it all.
So UKIP in 2014
With 4 million supporters have no seat.
In House of Commons.
None.
Less than 4 time of population support Conservatives had 320+ seats
(Hence people were fed up and teh fisrt time they can vote against David Cameron - they did.
First past the post was kept as the AV+ or proportional representation system was downvoted in a referendum - I voted FPTP
(Berxit referendum)
Also there is a problem with English representation in UK politics. Devoluton created regional control of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales, but where is the one for England?
You see the rise of English identification in the 2011 Cenus (and the loss of British)
Only reason we had brexit vote was Cameron went to the EU for an update on our position (came back with fuck all) - that split the conservatives so to decide it was put to a vote or farage might have won if nothing was done
Sure, one reason he did teh referendum is to stop the loss of voters to teh UKIP.
@KarasuKafka I agree about England’s position - we should have regional assemblies too
Also probably more than one regional assembly.
Aye norf and south
London has too much power due it's economical strength.
New York is the same
Probably some division of South East and West too.
London is a very dark place
Aye Lancashire and Yorkshire are two different worlds (it’s said those who have kids across county lines have sterile mule children)
Cornwall would suffer if whole South under one umbrella.
Cornwall are celts genetically
@Muad'Dib So I am not talking here about immigration, but I just heard it recently, need to read of the details. But there is a relic of London's council (local) election system I believe.
And that is companies and businesses has voting rights of seats of the city council too.
A heritage of the medieval guilt system.
Not sure the proportion.
Oh yes there is a lot of very sketchy financial history to London