ancient terminology

the greek philosophy of hedonism
where based on merchants who lived in southern italy

rome was wealthy because of the CIA and american impericolonism

Just because you are a hedonistic philosopher doesn't mean that your society in general is hedonistic.

never forget about *chosen* and *exceptional*

austere philosophers like Diogones would see many types of pleasures as immoral

..I would say that India is hedonist because they have sexual
statues in public and talked about sexual pleasure openly

the hedonists lived in Italy.

A society's relationship to sex is one fascet of the society as a whole

I guess I don't have a pleasure with hedonism as long as the society is eugenic and "progressing"

but that seems to seldom be the case

Societies don't progress

...

why I used quotes

Society in general is disgenic, in my opinion

JF probably would agree

Societies do progress

technologically they progress

if healthy

Any improvement upon the conditions we're in now would be "progress"

In one aspect, a society can progress. But that aspect brings other parts to decay

The greek hedonists... did not live in greece,
They lived in a hedonistic society
because they where allowed to walk around and talk..
In Greece they would be killed for immorality

It's just that the term is applied to degeneration on an ideological basis by some people

even if you have a cyclical view of history, there are societies that have progressed technologically/socially

But they are dumber because of it

and hedonism seems to correlate with the top of a cycle

So, do they have a net progression? No

hahahahaha

hedonism correlates ,,,with one thing..
WEALTH

yes

and incoming decline

the ability to afford hedonism..
and hedonism is not.. degeneate

and dysgenics

hedonism is constructive and serious

Lots of ancient societies were wealthy and didn't have a hedonistic outlook. I don't think you can let the proletariate become hedonistic without modern industrial practicies.

Hedonism is not constructive

Rome wasn't built by hedonism

I need lifting advice for barbell deadlifts and bent-over rows (and other lifts in general).
If I maintain a straight back during the lift, am I fairly safe?
Also, for rows, I'm not strong enough to use the 20kg plates on each side (60kg total),
but then I need the diameter of the 20kg plates, otherwise I arch my back quite a bit (I'm fairly tall)

.no.. all the wealthy societies where hedonistic..

Indulging in every base urge to gratify your mostly irrelevant desires is not constructive