Message from @Fifmut

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2020-01-24 21:37:36 UTC  

thats bad

2020-01-24 21:37:53 UTC  

well, there's still an empirical question - is eusocial behavior caused by Inclusive Fitness?

2020-01-24 21:38:16 UTC  

group selection is just a way of organizing the answer to that question

2020-01-24 21:39:05 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/670382088394113044/EOqMrZqXUAA0Sza.jpg

2020-01-24 21:39:16 UTC  

even if we're talking about selection on organisms, organisms are still not replicators

2020-01-24 21:39:18 UTC  

great name

2020-01-24 21:39:34 UTC  

so I could say, "why talk about individual selection"

2020-01-24 21:39:55 UTC  

You can use group selection if you're extremely careful and not lose sight of it being an emergent property of gene selection

2020-01-24 21:39:55 UTC  

lul

2020-01-24 21:39:58 UTC  

Winnie the Flu

2020-01-24 21:40:33 UTC  

But I think it's very rare that thinking in a group selectionist view would be more practical than gene or individual selection

2020-01-24 21:40:38 UTC  

If we make Christopher the Bat, will the ching chongs be less suspicious of us mocking them

2020-01-24 21:42:44 UTC  

@Nerthulas That's exactly the point. The higher level of selection you view, the more likely it is to predict incorrectly. Individual selection can be handy, but it can also lead you astray. Gene selection always works

2020-01-24 21:43:29 UTC  

would people, instead of a Fifa Soccer just play RUGBY 2020 (pirated edition), we could get at least one nuclear power plant of the grid because we'd save so much traffic, and give Greta some life-force back.

2020-01-24 21:43:39 UTC  

of course groups are not Dawkinsian replicators, I don't think group selectionists tend to claim this, although Hector did at one point

2020-01-24 21:43:46 UTC  

it just

2020-01-24 21:44:04 UTC  

explains the emergence of traits which are fitness-decreasing on the individual level

2020-01-24 21:44:07 UTC  

isn't a group just a probability cloud?

2020-01-24 21:44:48 UTC  

but which is apparently advantageous to populations

2020-01-24 21:44:54 UTC  

the mechanism is still on the gene level

2020-01-24 21:45:12 UTC  

99% of the time it just confuses people

2020-01-24 21:47:28 UTC  

confusion is just a group selected default setting for modern humans

2020-01-24 21:49:25 UTC  

>watching Sargon video
>mentions how DNC conspired to smear Bernie Sanders as an athiest
>mrw https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSs9Y1BMzZwqJsAP6qh6oof3OIrdj8NICPEAb8U6MFxQ_qxhivNA&s

2020-01-24 21:50:37 UTC  

they really are a shameless bunch

2020-01-24 21:50:49 UTC  

Bernie is not an atheist?

2020-01-24 21:50:56 UTC  

<:sargone:576555026722586635>

2020-01-24 21:51:48 UTC  

he is, but the point is the massive hypocrisy from the other atheists

2020-01-24 21:55:14 UTC  

lol atheists throwing other atheists under the bus for votes

2020-01-24 21:55:28 UTC  

hello

2020-01-24 21:55:36 UTC  

subhumans

2020-01-24 21:56:05 UTC  

Greetings subgoy

2020-01-24 21:56:08 UTC  

That's the joke

2020-01-24 21:56:44 UTC  

That you can smear someone for being something that they are.

2020-01-24 21:56:55 UTC  

but that's like, one level of the joke

2020-01-24 21:57:39 UTC  

additional levels are "athiesm is the actual jewish religion" and "athiest jews aren't actually athiests, they believe God exists, and their objective is to swindle him"

2020-01-24 22:12:28 UTC  

omg

2020-01-24 22:12:35 UTC  

she's like a doctor

2020-01-24 22:13:39 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/670390789930483732/20200124_153823.jpg

2020-01-24 22:14:39 UTC  

<:horrified:603092309307031560>

2020-01-24 22:15:24 UTC  

that#s a girl