oh, fantastic JF

thanks

Those nipples tho

Hey JF

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netherlands was based

we've been at it all day about Inclusive Fitness and Group Selection

if it never explains more, usually less, and frequently leads people towards wrong predictions, whats the point?

Oy vey

The goyim are rising against us everywhere

Schnuggi91

thats bad

well, there's still an empirical question - is eusocial behavior caused by Inclusive Fitness?

group selection is just a way of organizing the answer to that question

even if we're talking about selection on organisms, organisms are still not replicators

great name

so I could say, "why talk about individual selection"

You can use group selection if you're extremely careful and not lose sight of it being an emergent property of gene selection

lul

Winnie the Flu

But I think it's very rare that thinking in a group selectionist view would be more practical than gene or individual selection

If we make Christopher the Bat, will the ching chongs be less suspicious of us mocking them

@Nerthulas That's exactly the point. The higher level of selection you view, the more likely it is to predict incorrectly. Individual selection can be handy, but it can also lead you astray. Gene selection always works

would people, instead of a Fifa Soccer just play RUGBY 2020 (pirated edition), we could get at least one nuclear power plant of the grid because we'd save so much traffic, and give Greta some life-force back.

of course groups are not Dawkinsian replicators, I don't think group selectionists tend to claim this, although Hector did at one point

it just

explains the emergence of traits which are fitness-decreasing on the individual level

isn't a group just a probability cloud?

but which is apparently advantageous to populations

the mechanism is still on the gene level

99% of the time it just confuses people

confusion is just a group selected default setting for modern humans

>watching Sargon video
>mentions how DNC conspired to smear Bernie Sanders as an athiest
>mrw https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSs9Y1BMzZwqJsAP6qh6oof3OIrdj8NICPEAb8U6MFxQ_qxhivNA&s

they really are a shameless bunch

Bernie is not an atheist?

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he is, but the point is the massive hypocrisy from the other atheists

lol atheists throwing other atheists under the bus for votes