Message from @BibleBot
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Hypermarianism comes in waves, I wouldn't say all time
If the very land that Christ stepped on is holy, what’s this twisted attempt to deny the very woman that gave birth to him was too?
You are reacting emotionally to what you observe in some areas of the world, cutting your arm when it is diseased instead of curing it
Was David a man after God's own heart? Was Elijah a man of God even in succumbing to cowardice and fleeing persecution?
Mary is the mother of God, Mary isn't just some receptacle in which God teleports
Mary is the Mother of all the Redeemed too
Mary is even mentioned back in the protoevangelium
Galatians 4:4
**Galatians 4:4 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**
```Dust
<4> But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a woman, made under the law: ```
Mary can be holy without being perfect, just as many before her
This shows a far greater relationship that just mere "exposition"
Genesis 3:15
**Genesis 3:15 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**
```Dust
<15> I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. ```
To a point that it has theological consequences
Galatians 4:4-6
**Galatians 4:4-6 - English Standard Version (ESV)**
```Dust
<4> But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, <5> to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. <6> And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" ```
Just wanted to get the surrounding
So basically, let’s ignore the Protoevangelium ayy
It didn't say she was sinless there either
John 19:26-27
**John 19:26-27 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**
```Dust
<26> When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. <27> After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own. ```
Genesis 3:14-16
**Genesis 3:14-16 - English Standard Version (ESV)**
```Dust
<14> The Lord God said to the serpent,"Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. <15> I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."<16> To the woman he said,"I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you."```
Lmao we aren't told "there is a Trinity guys" either, but you claimed that thre was no support form Scripture. However, Scirpture shows a relationship that is far debyond just being some kind of receptacle, by virtue of God himself being born of Mary
And we are mentioned her graces, and the way she crushes the snake
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The trinity is evident from scripture though
And you, given all this want to reduce her to yet another woman who, like all of us, sinned and such, and just happened to be near a celebrity
She was just a woman who was blessed with a job, and did it well
God chose her, that doesn't make her any less special
Yeah, guess the New Eve is just a meme title
We don't need to attribute deity to her
Lmao so all the graces that are mentioned of her, the way she crushes the snake, and all that is said of her just rfer to her position as being near a celebrity
No one is doing that
See, there we can see the root of this problem, to avoid some scandal, you have caused another scandal
Yep
One could as well complain about all the scripture that is used by arians, and muslims, and JWs, and mormons
And you will say "well, but even though they use some fragments, other parts of Scripture destroy what they say"
You could argue proximity to literally any figure in the Bible, none are deified like Mary but maybe Elijah
Lmao, didn't some believe too that John the baptist was the messiah?
John 3:30