Message from @Mozalbete ⳩

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2019-07-20 08:55:16 UTC  

Mary is the mother of God, Mary isn't just some receptacle in which God teleports

2019-07-20 08:55:30 UTC  

Mary is the Mother of all the Redeemed too

2019-07-20 08:56:08 UTC  

Mary is even mentioned back in the protoevangelium

2019-07-20 08:56:10 UTC  

Galatians 4:4

2019-07-20 08:56:11 UTC  

**Galatians 4:4 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

```Dust


<4> But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a woman, made under the law: ```

2019-07-20 08:56:26 UTC  

Mary can be holy without being perfect, just as many before her

2019-07-20 08:56:27 UTC  

This shows a far greater relationship that just mere "exposition"

2019-07-20 08:56:46 UTC  

Genesis 3:15

2019-07-20 08:56:47 UTC  

**Genesis 3:15 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

```Dust


<15> I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. ```

2019-07-20 08:56:51 UTC  

To a point that it has theological consequences

2019-07-20 08:57:06 UTC  

Galatians 4:4-6

2019-07-20 08:57:06 UTC  

**Galatians 4:4-6 - English Standard Version (ESV)**

```Dust


<4> But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, <5> to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. <6> And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" ```

2019-07-20 08:57:34 UTC  

Just wanted to get the surrounding

2019-07-20 08:57:50 UTC  

So basically, let’s ignore the Protoevangelium ayy

2019-07-20 08:58:23 UTC  

It didn't say she was sinless there either

2019-07-20 08:58:57 UTC  

John 19:26-27

2019-07-20 08:58:57 UTC  

**John 19:26-27 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

```Dust


<26> When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. <27> After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own. ```

2019-07-20 08:59:01 UTC  

Genesis 3:14-16

2019-07-20 08:59:01 UTC  

**Genesis 3:14-16 - English Standard Version (ESV)**

```Dust


<14> The Lord God said to the serpent,"Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. <15> I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."<16> To the woman he said,"I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you."```

2019-07-20 08:59:44 UTC  

Lmao we aren't told "there is a Trinity guys" either, but you claimed that thre was no support form Scripture. However, Scirpture shows a relationship that is far debyond just being some kind of receptacle, by virtue of God himself being born of Mary

2019-07-20 09:00:02 UTC  

And we are mentioned her graces, and the way she crushes the snake

2019-07-20 09:00:11 UTC  

^

2019-07-20 09:00:21 UTC  

The trinity is evident from scripture though

2019-07-20 09:00:33 UTC  

And you, given all this want to reduce her to yet another woman who, like all of us, sinned and such, and just happened to be near a celebrity

2019-07-20 09:00:58 UTC  

She was just a woman who was blessed with a job, and did it well

2019-07-20 09:01:17 UTC  

God chose her, that doesn't make her any less special

2019-07-20 09:01:27 UTC  

Yeah, guess the New Eve is just a meme title

2019-07-20 09:01:33 UTC  

We don't need to attribute deity to her

2019-07-20 09:01:42 UTC  

Lmao so all the graces that are mentioned of her, the way she crushes the snake, and all that is said of her just rfer to her position as being near a celebrity

2019-07-20 09:01:42 UTC  

No one is doing that

2019-07-20 09:02:03 UTC  

See, there we can see the root of this problem, to avoid some scandal, you have caused another scandal

2019-07-20 09:02:11 UTC  

Yep

2019-07-20 09:02:25 UTC  

One could as well complain about all the scripture that is used by arians, and muslims, and JWs, and mormons

2019-07-20 09:02:43 UTC  

And you will say "well, but even though they use some fragments, other parts of Scripture destroy what they say"

2019-07-20 09:02:43 UTC  

You could argue proximity to literally any figure in the Bible, none are deified like Mary but maybe Elijah

2019-07-20 09:03:13 UTC  

Lmao, didn't some believe too that John the baptist was the messiah?

2019-07-20 09:03:38 UTC  

John 3:30

2019-07-20 09:03:38 UTC  

**John 3:30 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

```Dust


<30> He must increase, but I must decrease. ```

2019-07-20 09:03:48 UTC  

But we can say the same, that all the scandals related to Mary are destroyed when considering all scripture and teachings

2019-07-20 09:04:41 UTC  

So instead of cutting your arm when it is diseased, encourage actual understanding of Crhist, God, and the events and things described in Scripture

2019-07-20 09:05:11 UTC  

Luke 1:42