Oh ok

You said it is just whatever pertains to faith and morals

But Peter was corrected in faith and morals

Vigilius was corrected in faith and morals

I think you just made up that

The Pope can ligma

That any bull, or whatever, is something universal that has to be accepted

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I got a better proposal

It has to be declared xplicitely as something that is related to the faith (because that is the nature of divine revelation and protection) while being explicitely declared as authoritative, and binding, and required in an universal Church by virtue of its character of divine preservation

That is, pretty much an ecumenical council, but for some reason limited to a person, more or less

The same thing as the councils lmao

@MawLr we venerate Tsar Nicholas II

What you say stinks of ultramontism

So I have an Icon of him and his family

i know

just said we don't

Take a look at an acumenical council and see how they look like

Ah ok

Blessed be to all the martyrs

This is how authoritative declarations look like: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3801.htm

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@MawLr

Overall, I see sedevacantism as the other extreme of pope ultra-obsession

see that is the consequence

There is this idea that whatever the pope writes in a bull while on the toilet creates this obligation

So of course the consequence is "since these popes that we know better say things that are retarded, they can't be Pope"

What is included under “faith and morals”?
Theologians speak of the “Object” of Infallibility, i.e., those aspects of faith and morals which necessarily pertain to the Church’s Infallibility. According to Msgr. G. Van Noort,1 there are both primary and secondary objects.
The primary object is all of the truths explicitly contained in Scripture or Tradition. The secondary object is “all those matters which are so closely connected with the revealed deposit that revelation itself would be imperiled unless an absolutely certain decision could be made about them.” Hence, the following must be considered as guaranteed by the Infallibility of the Church:
a. theological conclusions
b. dogmatic facts
c. the general discipline of the Church — in other words, the Church’s laws and the Church’s liturgy cannot contain something harmful to faith and morals.
d. approval of religious orders
e. canonization of saints

This is what constitutes ex Cathedra

I don't care about what theologians speak

Not “a pope on the toilet”

What do you mean?

Everything you say is some fuzzy thing said by random people

"theological conclusions"

"general discipline"

What is the source of all that you just quoted?

Lmao theologians

I couldn't care less about theologians

Can you point me to the council that gives this authority to those "theologians"?

No, the dogmas were constituted by the ecumenical councils and similar