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Yes, and just like it was an error, it is normal that we have errors all the way in history. And where we expect consistency is in the councils, and similarly expressed declarations of faith

V2 doesn't get to this level. The cathechism doesn't get to this level. Letters by popes dont get to this level

This position is going to lead you to huge anxiety where you try to make this absurd framework of what is taught, or causes, or whatever. That's insanity

That is no way follows what we get from Christ and the Church through the centuries

This autism about "the errors of the Pope" is such a shameful, retarded thing. It is nowhere through history

It comes form an unnatural expectation from "le pope"

For a second I thought I was listening to a YouTube video lmao

Lmao what is even "ex-cathedra" supposed to be anymore

Do they have to say "hey guys this is ex-cathedra"

Peter talked about faith and morals

And was corrected in faith and morals

Other popes too

Many people talk about faith and morals, but councils do so stating something universal that must be accepted

Stop talking french please

Oh ok

You said it is just whatever pertains to faith and morals

But Peter was corrected in faith and morals

Vigilius was corrected in faith and morals

I think you just made up that

The Pope can ligma

That any bull, or whatever, is something universal that has to be accepted

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I got a better proposal

It has to be declared xplicitely as something that is related to the faith (because that is the nature of divine revelation and protection) while being explicitely declared as authoritative, and binding, and required in an universal Church by virtue of its character of divine preservation

That is, pretty much an ecumenical council, but for some reason limited to a person, more or less

The same thing as the councils lmao

@MawLr we venerate Tsar Nicholas II

What you say stinks of ultramontism

So I have an Icon of him and his family

i know

just said we don't

Take a look at an acumenical council and see how they look like

Ah ok

Blessed be to all the martyrs

This is how authoritative declarations look like: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3801.htm

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@MawLr

Overall, I see sedevacantism as the other extreme of pope ultra-obsession

see that is the consequence