Message from @Mozalbete ⳩
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Other popes too
Many people talk about faith and morals, but councils do so stating something universal that must be accepted
Stop talking french please
Oh ok
You said it is just whatever pertains to faith and morals
But Peter was corrected in faith and morals
Vigilius was corrected in faith and morals
I think you just made up that
The Pope can ligma
That any bull, or whatever, is something universal that has to be accepted
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I got a better proposal
It has to be declared xplicitely as something that is related to the faith (because that is the nature of divine revelation and protection) while being explicitely declared as authoritative, and binding, and required in an universal Church by virtue of its character of divine preservation
That is, pretty much an ecumenical council, but for some reason limited to a person, more or less
The same thing as the councils lmao
What you say stinks of ultramontism
So I have an Icon of him and his family
i know
just said we don't
Ah ok
Blessed be to all the martyrs
This is how authoritative declarations look like: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3801.htm
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Overall, I see sedevacantism as the other extreme of pope ultra-obsession
see that is the consequence
There is this idea that whatever the pope writes in a bull while on the toilet creates this obligation
So of course the consequence is "since these popes that we know better say things that are retarded, they can't be Pope"
What is included under “faith and morals”?
Theologians speak of the “Object” of Infallibility, i.e., those aspects of faith and morals which necessarily pertain to the Church’s Infallibility. According to Msgr. G. Van Noort,1 there are both primary and secondary objects.
The primary object is all of the truths explicitly contained in Scripture or Tradition. The secondary object is “all those matters which are so closely connected with the revealed deposit that revelation itself would be imperiled unless an absolutely certain decision could be made about them.” Hence, the following must be considered as guaranteed by the Infallibility of the Church:
a. theological conclusions
b. dogmatic facts
c. the general discipline of the Church — in other words, the Church’s laws and the Church’s liturgy cannot contain something harmful to faith and morals.
d. approval of religious orders
e. canonization of saints
This is what constitutes ex Cathedra
I don't care about what theologians speak
Not “a pope on the toilet”
What do you mean?
Everything you say is some fuzzy thing said by random people
"theological conclusions"
"general discipline"
What is the source of all that you just quoted?
Lmao theologians